| The_Thing | I was afraid somebody was going to say that. |
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| sysRPL | reisio: anyways, they have a 3 year waranty through ocz |
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| bizzpod | robertzaccour: Those packages only work for more recent cards I'm afraid. If it was a 3000 series card or above then they'd be the right package. |
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| gym_jane | hi all |
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| cyban | The_Thing - do you have a lot of stuff on it? |
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| robertzaccour | gotta restart |
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| robertzaccour | brb |
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| bizzpod | The_Thing: What order did you install Win7/XP in? |
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| The_Thing | Nothing that can't be backed up. |
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| kleanchap | This eraser looks pretty good (and without installation). http://www.harddriveeraser.org/ |
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| sysRPL | the agility 2/vertex 2 models just came out in april. they have that new sandforce controller making them really fast |
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| The_Thing | XP was installed first, 7 installed second |
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| cyban | The_Thing - I would start over, that went horibly wrong lol |
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| shawn146 | does xbox prevent lagg when running? |
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| gym_jane | has anyone here deployed office communicator? |
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| shawn146 | cause virtualpc has a lot of lag |
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| The_Thing | Though I do apparently have the file backed up on the XP drive |
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| cyban | sounds like you overwrote yer win7 or xp kernel with the other OS |
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| shawn146 | ? |
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| cyban | I am not sure if you can restore the kernel |
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| The_Thing | I don't see how that's possible, considering I installed it on a completely seperate partition |
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| bizzpod | The_Thing: Might be worth looking at this tool before reinstalling it all - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927392 |
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| cyban | bad media perhaps |
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| cyban | biz - that wont repair the kernel.. |
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| cyban | will it |
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| bizzpod | cyban: Nope. I was wondering if perhaps the boot record was pointing to the wrong location. |
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| cyban | "Windows could not start because the following file is missing or corrupt: C:\Windows\system32\ntoskrnl.exe. Please re-install a copy of the above file." (Looks right) |
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| bizzpod | The_Thing: Can you boot Win7 and examine the XP partition from there? |
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| The_Thing | I notice that boot.ini is on the C: drive on my tower... that has an XP and 7 dual-boot going on as well. |
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| cyban | worth a shot |
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| robertzaccour | back |
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| The_Thing | bizzpod: I'm booted in 7 right now. |
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| cyban | thats normal |
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| bizzpod | robertzaccour: wb |
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| robertzaccour | thanks |
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| The_Thing | However on my laptop, where I'm having the problem, it's not on the C: partition |
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| cyban | heh can you even get a dos prompt to run progman and sfc the ntoskrnl back in? |
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| The_Thing | Also, on my tower, the installation on that was 7 first, and XP second. |
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| robertzaccour | its fixed, updates actually do work woohoo |
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| robertzaccour | i thought updates were mostly just security stuff |
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| cyban | yep robert |
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| bizzpod | The_Thing: My experience with dual boot Windows systems is pretty limited so I'll leave you in more capable hands I think. |
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| robertzaccour | thanks i wanna give yall a hug |
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| cyban | lol |
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| bizzpod | robertzaccour: *internet hug* Glad to help. |
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| robertzaccour | my other options were vista drivers or Linux |
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| cyban | The_Thing - it dont matter which is first |
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| The_Thing | cyban: Actually if you install XP after 7, one has to restore 7's boot loader because XP's setup program overwrites it with it's own. |
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| cyban | 1st Install Windows - 2nd Install Updates - 3rd Install Antivirus - 4th do whatever ya want from here |
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| Action: The_Thing always installs AV first, before even considering connecting to any sort of network. |
| cyban | 7 dont take over the boot loader? |
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| cyban | does with 2k+ |
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| sylbot | new after old |
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| sylbot | thats the rule |
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| robertzaccour | after buying this laptop i noticed a tiny small mark in the screen that doesn't affect color or pixels at all. should i feel ripped off? its barely noticeable and doesn't affect picture at all |
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| The_Thing | 7 doesn't totally overwrite it, to my knowledge. |
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| cyban | ya usualy |
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| bizzpod | Ummm brb, my kitchen is on fire just a little... |
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| sylbot | robertzaccour, what is the mark |
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| The_Thing | lawl |
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| cyban | oh well, if ya go old first then new will be less problems but still it shouldnt wipe out yer kernel, that was a wops somewhere or bad media |
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| robertzaccour | sylbot, its a tiny scratch mark about 1mm long |
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| sylbot | old before new windows, before any linux |
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| cyban | and as far as I know short of booting into DOS, running PROGMAN, then running SFC and trying to restore ntos from the Windows CD - format and reinstall is yer only other option |
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| sylbot | robertzaccour, If you really don't mind it then its fine i guess |
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| sylbot | it should be a used one from a mark that small |
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| sylbot | dhouldnt |
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| sylbot | shouldn't dammit |
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| robertzaccour | sylbot, thats what i figured, as long as the picture isn't affected and i hardly notice it 200 seems like an ok deal |
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| bizzpod | Okay, someone in my house left one of those plastic pizza trays in the oven for several hours. I love shared accomodation :) |
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| robertzaccour | a new netbook would cost me 249 plus tax |
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| The_Thing | So, when I reformat and reinstall, would I have to do just the XP, or both XP and 7? |
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| cyban | Homework (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/ff720178.aspx) :( |
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| cyban | Do XP then 7 |
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| cyban | well |
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| sylbot | THE RULE IS OLD BEFORE NEW |
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| cyban | 7 works right |
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| sylbot | yeah |
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| sylbot | it doesn't delete |
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| The_Thing | On my tower, I did 7 before XP. |
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| cyban | do XP then run that BOOT fix |
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| sylbot | in fact, it adds it to the boot ini |
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| sylbot | no it does it automatically |
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| cyban | let me see who posted it |
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| sylbot | i installed win7 onece before, it recognizes xp |
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| sylbot | and added it |
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| The_Thing | After doing that, one usually has to repair the boot sector with 7's repair disc |
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| shawn146 | oh i love that ac3filter |
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| sylbot | if you do xp after 7 then |
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| sylbot | you must repair |
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| robertzaccour | one thing nice about Linux is not having to mess with that stuff and drivers are automatically installed. lack of pretty apps and cd-rom is a downside however |
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| cyban | The_Thing so ya, install XP then run http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927392 |
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| The_Thing | Yes, but that's usually more or less easy |
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| cyban | if yer lucky itl play nice and win7 will stay the bootloader |
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| cyban | and if not then youl have yer winxp installed right, then you can reinstall yer 7 |
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| robertzaccour | i got a dell laptop a few months back. within a few weeks i noticed a red colored dead line of pixels, so i think i'll stay away from dell laptops in the future |
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| cyban | robert - thats abnormal, send it back |
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| The_Thing | robertzaccour: Lack of a cd-rom? Is it a netbook? |
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| robertzaccour | The_Thing, i'm using a regular laptop witn win 7 right now |
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| The_Thing | hmm |
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| sylbot | robertzaccour, i have driver problems with linux |
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| sylbot | my nvidia |
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| sylbot | grr. |
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| sylbot | tried to install proprietary drivers on th ubuntu UE, and it messed up my x.org config |
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| robertzaccour | sylbot, yeah that happens |
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| robertzaccour | sylbot, thats odd. its usually ati that has the Linux issues |
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| The_Thing | This gives me a chance to test the XP install disc I slipstreamed :) |
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| cyban | least thats an easy fix sly |
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| sylbot | yeah, then I didn't know how to recover it, and I delete the partition to uninstall it |
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| robertzaccour | whats slipstreamed The_Thing ? |
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| sylbot | which of course f'ed up my grub |
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| bizzpod | I have a Radeon 3650 in my machine and I've never been able to get decent compositing performance on it :-/ |
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| sylbot | so i had the fix the mbr |
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| cyban | you just delete xorg.cong |
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| bizzpod | On any linux distro, that is |
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| sylbot | conf |
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| cyban | conf |
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| The_Thing | robertzaccour: Adding things to an XP disc... updates, drivers, service packs, etc. |
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| robertzaccour | sylbot, did you try using the live cd first to test the hardware? |
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| sylbot | yeah, i tried it, but x server would start |
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| sylbot | robertzaccour, i use unetbootin |
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| sylbot | to try it |
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| robertzaccour | The_Thing, ah i see, like a custom reinstall disc |
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| The_Thing | http://www.nliteos.com/ |
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| sylbot | then installed from livecd |
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| The_Thing | Yes |
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| robertzaccour | sylbot, it would have been a good idea to play around with it and make sure all the hardware works before installing |
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| sylbot | i tried it with unetbootin |
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| cyban | a lot of that hardware on live ISO's work fine, then you install and it dont work anymore |
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| sylbot | it is like installing the live cd to windows |
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| cyban | like Fedora's Wifi |
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| sylbot | http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
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| cyban | well back on f10 |
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| sylbot | look |
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| Alex610 | S_SubZero: still on the ropes |
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| Alex610 | but im confident i can solve this |
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| robertzaccour | cyban, whats the point of a live cd if it works in live and not after install? crazy |
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| S_SubZero | I'd just reinstall, it sounds like you're trying way too hard on this |
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| cyban | I duno, Ubuntu and Fedora both do it |
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| robertzaccour | oh fedora is crap from what i've heard |
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| sylbot | fedora is just more dificult to work with |
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| sylbot | it isn't as easy as ubuntu |
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| robertzaccour | but then again it is based on redhat and they're more about enterprise than desktop |
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| sylbot | yes |
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| cyban | I like Fedora, not for Laptop use |
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| bizzpod | Fedora is quite an "open-source purist" distro, it doesn't ship with many (any?) proprietary drivers |
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| robertzaccour | i hate fedora haha |
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| cyban | I dislike Ubuntu because its kinda like a Mac |
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| robertzaccour | i don't care if drivers are proprietary or not, as long as they work right |
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| sylbot | lol anything with gnome is like mac |
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| cyban | but on desktops ive had better success with Fedora over Ubuntu |
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| robertzaccour | cyban, mac is bsd with a pretty gui |
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| bizzpod | robertzaccour: Well, ditto. The pragmatist's approach. :) |
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| sylbot | robertzaccour, exactly |
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| S_SubZero | the max/min/close buttons are on the left, therefore "like a Mac" |
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| robertzaccour | bizzpod, whats pragmatist? |
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| sylbot | anyhting with gnome looks like mac |
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| cyban | robert ya isnt that what Ubuntu reminds you of tho, Linux eye candy? |
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| sylbot | i like blue better than brown |
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| sylbot | like the literal color |
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| robertzaccour | cyban, in a way, and also i notice the nice similarities between win 7 and kde desktop |
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| bizzpod | robertzaccour: concerned with actually having something work rather than any ideologies |
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| Alex610 | S_SubZero: like i said my DVD is a digital download |
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| cyban | ya the gadgets |
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| Alex610 | :( |
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| cyban | sidebar etc |
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| Alex610 | I suppose i could burn that but it would be difficult to do ATM |
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| robertzaccour | bizzpod, oh, like your computer not being a mission statement |
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| robertzaccour | same here |
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| bizzpod | robertzaccour: pretty much, yep. Personally I take what works well - I used to tinker a lot but now I prefer something stable and well designed. |
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| cyban | biz - whats that, UNIX? |
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| robertzaccour | bizzpod, win 7 is pretty stable and honestly the fastest OS i've used yet. |
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| bizzpod | cyban: Heh, well you could then ask why I'm using Windows :P. Win7 does it all for me, never crashed once. |
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| cyban | well 08 is NOT fast IMO |
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| robertzaccour | however i did find one bug on a dell laptop. i did screen capture with dell webcam studio or whatever its called, and when i opened ccleaner the aero theme shut down until after restarting |
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| cyban | I sure hope this virtual Win 7 Client is zippier than these 08 virtual systems |
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| cyban | find out in about 2 hours heh |
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| cyban | 3 if these updates take much longer |
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| robertzaccour | cyban, updates usually don't take more than a few minutes |
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| sylbot | yeah same for me |
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| cyban | I had 53 updates, 564MB's |
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| bizzpod | Roll on Win7 SP1 |
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| cyban | some of them rollups for exchange |
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| shawn146 | in vbox is it possible to transfer files between my guest os and my host? |
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| cyban | so its taken about an hour so far, and its 60% through |
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| S_SubZero | shawn146: yes |
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| bizzpod | shawn146: Yes but you need to do it via network drives I believe |
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| shawn146 | O_O |
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| cyban | shawn - ya set up a shared folder |
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| shawn146 | how can i do that? |
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| bizzpod | Unless they added drag and drop in a recent release? |
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| cyban | set up a shared folder and map a network drive |
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| bizzpod | shawn146: http://www.virtuatopia.com/index.php/VirtualBox_Shared_Folders |
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| S_SubZero | shawn146: VBox comes with documentation. There's also #vbox. |
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| robertzaccour | been using win 7 for 2 days now. it seems like its what vista was supposed to be, so vista was more like a win 7 alpha |
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| shawn146 | oh |
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| shawn146 | ok |
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| S_SubZero | robertzaccour: <previous version> is like a <current version> alpha? |
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| bizzpod | I've been using Win7 right from the first beta and it's always been great. That said, after SP1 Vista wasn't too bad - it just had some rough edges design-wise. |
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| robertzaccour | S_SubZero, no, win 7 is what vista should have been, so vista seems more like a win 7 alpha, because vista just was not ready |
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