Windrose	Which, again, has little to do with the resolution.
pvvni	See above.
Windrose	What you are saying is "I assume they have a canvas of at least 960 pixels width". That has less to do with resolution than you think.
pvvni	Provide me an example where someone's resolution doesn't determine the minimum width that the page will be viewed in.
pvvni	An example that is not, as I've said before, an outliser.
pvvni	*outlier
Windrose	I think not. However, I can repeat: it has LITTLE to do with the resolution. If you set a with of 2000px then, even on an 800px wide screen, the canvas will be 2000px. They are not related. Thinking in terms of resolution is a fallacy - unless you are in kiosk mode, and not even then.
iAmStewart	downloading like all of the KDE libs just for one KDE based app -___- bah
Windrose	If you want to show the ENTIRE design, however, it is the CANVAS which matters - and you can't say anything more about a canvas than that, on a 1024 resolution, it will be LESS than that - somewhere. How much less is nearly impossible to say.
racetam_	Someone with 1920px width may want two browser windows side-by-side - or a word processor, movie, etc.
racetam_	However I do agree 960px is just fine and the "outliers" have already learned to adapt
Windrose	racetam_: as long as you don't mind the 'outliers' being groups with accessibility difficulty and the increasingly popular mobile devices ....
racetam_	That's why I think web sites should avoid using words. I don't want to discriminate against the illiterate market.
Windrose	Heh.
racetam_	Unfortunately, text is inaccessible to some people, and images cost mobile users money, so I have to advise against both :)
Windrose	Well, when tossing strawmen, why not toss several.
Stephanie	Heh.
Stephanie	I prefer tossing snow. We have plenty.
racetam_	More seriously, no design is ideal at the full spectrum between tiny and huge
racetam_	So it makes sense to cater to the majority, then do a second design if it's worth it
racetam_	even w3c.org looks goofy at 480x320
puff	Anybody here work with podcasts,rss, itunes?  I have an RSS that isn't working in itunes.
puff	Unfortunately, I have to pm the url, there's a bidness guy involved who likes to google.
mahen23	i have been looking at some portfolios of web design groups
mahen23	there are a lot
mahen23	looks like the market of Web design/development is saturated in USA
mahen23	how do you do it guys?
ATAN	Beat them off with a stick.
iAmStewart	quality > quantity
ATAN	Do it better or do it cheaper... and you win.
ATAN	Obviously doing it cheaper is not the best option if you want food on the table.
mahen23	so the market is really saturated.....
PowerPan	hello
PowerPan	i want to make some input fields with a label
PowerPan	the label text should stand over the input field
PowerPan	you can see an example at www.meinvz.net
PowerPan	i don't know how to do this
Dorward_	PowerPan: <label for="...">...</label><br><input id="...">
PowerPan	no the text should stand in front of the input field
Dorward_	PowerPan: Oh. Err. See http://dorward.me.uk/tmp/label-work/example.html
qFox	anyone know why safari 4.04win would ignore Last-Modified headers, which are accepted by firefox?
qFox	and/or how to fix it
eirikb	qFox: Safari sends last-modified-since but ignores the reply? oO
qFox	other way round..
eirikb	Huh?
eirikb	The one that has the cache is the client, the one controlling it own cache is the client, how can it be any other way?
qFox	php sends the last-modified headers and the client should, uppon the next request of the same resource, send a if-modified-since
qFox	(sorry, not other way around)
eirikb	If the client should use its own cache feature is probably up to the client itself?
qFox	eirikb> my answer should've been "it doesnt send it at all".
qFox	my problem and confusion is that it does respond properly to the ones sent by apache. eg. it will cache images etc fine and send the ims
eirikb	qFox: Well I don't know. Maybe it understand it's PHP and don't bother? Since PHP is originally dynamical
qFox	hmmm. it could parse X-powered-by header, but i doubt that...?
qFox	other than that, the request looks like a regular file.
qFox	nothing php-ish
qFox	its a long shot, but i'll try to prevent the powered by header and see what happens
eirikb	qFox: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13128 ?
eirikb	qFox: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24179 ?
_Moe_	is it normal that a div: <div><img...</div> is slightly larger than the img in it? I am getting this annoying behaviour.. is there somthing I am missing.. shouldn't it just wrap the img exactly ?
qFox	_Moe_> removed padding, margin and border?
qFox	eirikb> looking at them
_Moe_	qFox: yes.. I think it might have to do with setting font-size on an outer div.. because setting font-size:0 on that div removes it..
_Moe_	but that is very strange still.. I should be able to do that..
qFox	target browser?
_Moe_	FF
qFox	yeah then it shouldnt happen.
_Moe_	I am floating the div left btw.. could you try that
qFox	do you have a testcase?
_Moe_	unfortantly I am having trouble sharing my ip..
eirikb	Sharing your IP?
eirikb	If you are behind NAT then just use reverse SSH tunnelig to a remote server
_Moe_	well.. it would be allot easier if he could see the page in action.. rather than me posting it on a pastebin
_Moe_	hmm.. try this: http://62.84.91.4:8080/
_Moe_	it doesn't work for me thoguh... what do you mean reverse ssh ?
eirikb	ssh -R 8000:localhost:8080 myuser@myremotehost.com
_Moe_	is that possible with putty ( unfortantly I am on windows now)
eirikb	Maybe, haven't used windows in 4 years
eirikb	But if 62.84.91.4 is your actual IP, you don't need to, since it's reachable
eirikb	But since it seems to run CentOS, and you say you use Windows I guess it's not
_Moe_	are you able to ping the 62.84.91.4 ip succesfully?
eirikb	Yes
_Moe_	are you able to reach 8080 ?
eirikb	Or not ping
eirikb	But nmap :)
_Moe_	hehe
eirikb	http://pastebin.com/d2dd6cacb
eirikb	I guess it's blocking ICMP
_Moe_	yeah.. that's pretty crappy.. can I get around that some way ?
eirikb	Yes, by setting NAT settings to forward port 8080 to your computer, or use reverse ssh tunnel
_Moe_	that's not in my hands... I am using kind of mobile internet from a telecom provider
eirikb	Then ssh will do the trick
_Moe_	now I just need to figure out how to do it with putty
eirikb	Google it
eirikb	First: Do you have a remote server with sshd?
_Moe_	i have a server where the site is running.. is that what you mean?
eirikb	Can you SSH to it?
_Moe_	yes
eirikb	Can't you just put your stuff up to that server to show us in the first place? :)
_Moe_	no.. because i've made changes and it's those that needs a look..
_Moe_	hehe
eirikb	You don't have dev mode on the server?
eirikb	I don't do that either, I always keep dev and test envirments local and only through mercurial, and prod on servers. But then again, I can setup a reverse ssh tunnel in 3 secs :)
_Moe_	the ssh reverse.. could you explain what I need to do.. go in to server and do what?
_Moe_	and then from my computer do what?
eirikb	You don't go into the server. From your local computer you establish the connection to the server. Then there will be a reverse tunnel between the server and your computer. Then ssh will establish a listening socket on the remote server (specified port), so when someone connect to that port they will be forwarded to your local computer on a specified port there (could be the same, could be different, does
eirikb	not matter)
_Moe_	ok.. i will try that..
Kingsy101	can someone in here help me with a IE6 css issue? or it seems to be that.. I havnt had any luck in #css so I thought I would ask in here see if someone had the browser on their pc and had a little spare time
Gothfunc	who knows unless you ask? ;o
eirikb	~ask to as
eirikb	k
Kingsy101	:)
Kingsy101	www.atozgolfer.com <--- it requires a username/password so use css/css
Kingsy101	you can see the top.menu bar in IE6 is totally messed up (its height changes to the height of the button the rollover and the dropdown menu)
Kingsy101	but it renders fine in all other browsers..
Kingsy101	any ideas why?
Gothfunc	the menu at the top right is messed up in google chrome
Kingsy101	also sorry about the server speed, its a dev server so its not too fast.. but its CHEAP :)
Kingsy101	Gothfunc - yea just ignore that menu, I havnt styled it for any browser yet
Gothfunc	ah ye
Kingsy101	I am talking about the top.menu UNDER the header but above the main content
Windrose	Kingsy101: you have 15 errors, some of them likely to impact on rendering (duplicate IDs, for example). I suggest you fix those first.
Kingsy101	15 errors? xhtml validation?
Windrose	Kingsy101: validation, yes.
Kingsy101	cool I will do :) good place to start
Kingsy101	Windrose - you still around?
Kingsy101	Gothfunc - or you?
Kingsy101	I have made my page xhtml strict, the problem is still there but at least I don't have xhtml errors that could be causing it
Gothfunc	Kingsy101: i don't have ie6 on this machine, on linux
Kingsy101	ah
Kingsy101	:(
Kingsy101	anyone else?
Action: Windrose is on vacation and doesn't have her lab, so no IE.
Kingsy101	:) np
Gothfunc	hm, when i return from paypal to my site the session expires and i have to login again.  is there a cure for this?  having trouble finding answers on google
Dorward	Gothfunc: Find out why the session is expiring. We don't know what rules it uses to track the session.
Gothfunc	Dorward: i'm not really sure how to do that...
Dorward	Gothfunc: Look at the code that handles the sessions. Read the manual if it is a third party solution.
Gothfunc	Dorward: using cakephp.  ok, but i'm still not exactly sure what i'm looking for.  are you trying to say find out how long till the session expires?
Gothfunc	cause i click buy now, then immediately return to the site and i have to login again
Dorward	Gothfunc: If the session is expiring because the user goes to paypal and then comes back, either the session time is insanely short, or there are other rules in play (such as expiring a session if the referer is from a different site).
Gothfunc	hmm i see
Gothfunc	ok i'll check that out, thanks dorward :)
Windrose	Gothfunc: best bet is asking paypal tho.
Dorward	Probably nothing to do with paypal.
Windrose	Dorward: oh, I dunno. Anything involving that name which go wrong is reasonably their fault ;)
Gothfunc	Dorward: so if session.referer_check is set, it'll invalidate the session when you leave the site and come back?
_Moe_	I finally got the reason to why things where behaving as they were... http://pastebin.com/m72c298d
Dorward	Gothfunc: I don't know. I haven't touched PHP sessions in almost a decade, and I've never used CakePHP.
_Moe_	this was my original question: is it normal that a div: <div><img...</div> is slightly larger than the img in it? I am getting this annoying behaviour.. is there somthing I am missing.. shouldn't it just wrap the img exactly ?
_Moe_	the answer is due to the top <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
Gothfunc	Dorward: ok no worries, this has been a good step forward :)
_Moe_	if I remove that part then that's resolved.. I am just to scared to remove it now
Dorward	_Moe_: Images are inline content. By default, they are vertically-aligned on the line of text. There is space below them for the descdenders you find on letters like g, y, j, and p.
_Moe_	Dorward.. but is there any decenders here ?
_Moe_	what letters, and how do I avoid this behaviour
Dorward	_Moe_: The space is always provided. Otherwise you have uneven line heights.
_Moe_	can I get around this ? because IE doesn't do this..
Dorward	_Moe_: Well ... if the _default_ vertical-alignment isn't to your pleasing then ... ?
deltab	remove all the text from the line
deltab	including the spaces
deltab	though if there's another way I'd like to hear it
_Moe_	deltab: I did that.. doesn't help... Dorward: thanks.. align='top' did the trick... although it is very misleading.. the align should not have to do with the content ... thanks for helping out
Dorward	If the alignment doesn't align the content ... what should it align?
deltab	how could it not? it's about aligning the content
Dorward	And use CSS for presentation.
deltab	_Moe_: so did the descender space disappear entirely, or did you just move it to the bottom?
deltab	hmm, I realise now the second part of that is meaningless
deltab	so, thank you
_Moe_	deltab: I don't know.. it seems as if the descenders where suddenly gone
preinheimer	I've got a table (actually showing tabular data, please don't kill me) as the left sidebar at: http://dev.wonderproxy.com/ I can't figure out why there's such a large gap between the cell background colour, and the table's right side
Omnipotent	Say, assuming I am an internet company/provider, is there a way to track a single email and see how many people get it?
nkuttler	Omnipotent: your server logs can tell you if they were delivered, but that doesn't mean it arrives in the receiver's inbox
preinheimer	define "Get it"
Windrose	No. You can track how many delivery points accept it, but nothing beyong that.
Windrose	'beyond'
Omnipotent	preinheimer - how many people read it
preinheimer	you can do crap like put an image in the email that loads off a server, but even then people with that crap disabled wont show up
nkuttler	Omnipotent: no way to track that. you can use html mails with images etc, but that's not reliable
Omnipotent	nkuttler - so all these "xyz company tracks this mail and will give you 1$ for every mail you send" is crap right?
_W_	yes
nkuttler	omg
Windrose	Omnipotent: pure swindel.
Omnipotent	Thank you.
preinheimer	Seriously, that entire conversation was initiated by some spam crap?
preinheimer	I feel kind of let down to be honest.
Omnipotent	preinheimer - xD
Windrose	Well, we do offer a full money back guarantee if you are not satisfied with the channel .... :)
preinheimer	heh, I asked a stupid question an hour ago, still waiting on that one :)
nkuttler	preinheimer: i'd start by checking what those reset css styles do to tables
preinheimer	reset css styles?
Windrose	preinheimer: from the description there might be some padding/border/cellspacing issues.
pyther	Hi
preinheimer	Windrose: I'm with you that far
pyther	Why does td work and not th in this code sample: http://dpaste.com/138351/ ? What is the difference between td and th?
Windrose	pyther: not 'work'? One is a table cell, one is a table header.
pyther	Windrose, so a table header is not a table cell?
Dorward	One is a data cell the other is a header cell. Both are table cells.
Windrose	pyther: now you're getting philosophical :) Yes. It's a specific type of table cell.
pyther	so in theory I should be able to use <th> instead of <td> correct?

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