| flan_suse | "The ability to change the desktop background is unproductive and ineffecient, and it creates overhead. This is a beneficial decision." |
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| velcroshooz | so switch to a distro that doesnt make those choices for you - run gentoo or arch, and start with a bare shell and work your way up |
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| velcroshooz | your better off finding where you fit then single handedly trying to change the direction of a business backed distro |
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| bitshuffler_ | flan_suse: as impolite as it might sound: either you put work in it or you eat what you get served. For the rest you pay. |
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| flan_suse | velcroshooz, where did I single handedly try to change the direction of any distro? |
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| flan_suse | bitshuffler, or find a workaround, which I did. I even said it was worth it (removing pulse to fix the stuttering/crackling problems). |
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| velcroshooz | flan_suse, you dont want pulseaudio included, and there is not just a checkbox thats going to enable you to switch |
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| velcroshooz | so run a distro that doesnt include it by default. easy. |
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| bitshuffler_ | flan_suse: no, that isn't "ludicrous" but simply a free project your aren't paying a single cent for moving on. |
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| flan_suse | Expressing a grievance does not equate an attempt to force a change. |
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| chris062689 | Allright, booting up the Live CD, this is where it gets interesting :D |
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| bitshuffler_ | well, we talk again if you put any work in said project |
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| flan_suse | bitshuffler that almost implies, in that argument, that donators should have voting rights, unless they already so. |
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| bitshuffler_ | like thise "I FOR KDE3!!!!!" morons |
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| flan_suse | *already so |
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| bitshuffler_ | *those |
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| flan_suse | *already do |
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| bitshuffler_ | *fork ... |
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| flan_suse | Oh, my dreaded ring finger. |
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| Action: bitshuffler_ needs to ring fingers for screwing the typing |
| bitshuffler_ | ;D ;P |
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| chris062689 | I didn't know you wore your ring on your middle finger. |
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| chris062689 | :D |
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| chris062689 | anyway, installing r8168 |
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| flan_suse | Anyways, I'm out. |
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| bitshuffler_ | flan_suse: how did I say that donators have voting rights for anything ? |
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| chris062689 | no wait flan, :( |
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| flan_suse | "Not paying a single cent" for something. |
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| chris062689 | I still need this problem resolved. |
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| chris062689 | Otherwise I won't be able to switch to openSUSE. |
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| flan_suse | Donators do "pay cents" but do they get voting rights on future decisions? |
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| bitshuffler_ | flan_suse: well, why should anyone who does it in his free time bother with what you want? |
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| flan_suse | And like I said, which you two seemed to misread, expressing a grievance is not the same as selfishly forcing change. |
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| chris062689 | nothing provides ksym 1118335a needed by [r8168 package] |
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| chris062689 | So I need to grab the ksym package? |
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| bitshuffler_ | flan_suse: now you lost me on english - prolly my bad |
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| bitshuffler_ | chris062689: use osc to build it locally |
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| chris062689 | osc? |
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| chris062689 | !osc |
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| SUSEhelp | osc is a command-line client for building in the openSUSE Build Service: http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/CLI |
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| flan_suse | bitshuffler_, how many people do you know who never say things that are on there mind, such as things that bug them or annoy them? |
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| bitshuffler_ | chris062689: add the "openSUSE:Tools" repo, install "osc", then ask me again |
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| chris062689 | I can't bitshuffler! |
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| chris062689 | No ethernet, remember? |
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| flan_suse | bitshuffler_, probably no one, because that's what humans do. But just because I'm doing that, it doesn't mean I'm trying to manipulate anyone, or force anyone to do my bidding. |
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| bitshuffler_ | chris062689: why? |
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| chris062689 | I have absolutely no ethernet connection. |
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| chris062689 | aside from this netbook here |
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| flan_suse | bitshuffler_, I felt that you and velcroshooz might have been looking too deeply into what I was simply say off the cuff. |
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| bitshuffler_ | flan_suse: well, why should those matter since they don't contribute in anyway anyways? |
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| flan_suse | bitshuffler_, because I have a keyboard, an internet connection, and people who are chatting in a public channel. |
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| bitshuffler_ | chris062689: what was the name of the iso you installed? |
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| chris062689 | it's not installed, running it on the live CD |
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| chris062689 | it was... |
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| chris062689 | openSUSE-KDE-LiveCD-Build0577-x86_64.iso |
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| bitshuffler_ | flan_suse: right, and that's why other people should care about you, ivnvest their free time to make you happy and so on? I humbly disagree. |
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| flan_suse | bitshuffler_, you misread my words again. |
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| chris062689 | ksym is apparently a dependency, so what package is that? |
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| chris062689 | Let me google "ksym opensuse 11.3 rpm" |
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| flan_suse | bitshuffler_, it's like if someone makes a comment about how he hates living in a crowded city, and someone tells him to "Move somewhere else!", he won't because he has a job in the city. |
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| bitshuffler_ | chris062689: sry, if the driver from http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/drivers:/nic/openSUSE_Factory/ doesn't work for you then PLEASE file a bugreport and CC me. |
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| bitshuffler_ | !bugreport @ chris062689 |
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| SUSEhelp | chris062689: How to submit a bug report: http://en.opensuse.org/Submit_a_Bug -- the bugzilla is at http://bugzilla.novell.com |
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| flan_suse | bitshuffler_, it's just something to express, to be taken for what it is. He's not saying "I think everyone should move out of the city so it's not so crowded anymore!" |
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| bitshuffler_ | flan_suse: well, you just have to realize that most of the ppl do it in their free time so they aren't obliged to you or anyone else. |
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| chris062689 | bitshuffler_ I think I can get it to work, I just need to install a dependency. |
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| chris062689 | How can I install the ksym dependency? |
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| bitshuffler_ | chris062689: you can take the realtek driver and build it locally |
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| flan_suse | bitshuffler_, I'm saying I had nightmares with pulseaudio, on multiple computers (and others have similar stories), but I'm just an end-user, not a developer. I never said "This, this, and this are the things that must be done in the next release." |
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| chris062689 | but that requires even more dependencies. |
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| chris062689 | Why can't I simply just grab the ksym? |
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| flan_suse | bitshuffler_, I have repeated over and over, and made it clear that I don't expect people to do anything for me. And have given examples to illustrate that. |
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| snadge | will suse 12 be dropping support for xen or not? |
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| bitshuffler_ | chris062689: install kernel-$flavor-devel and then build the thing locally |
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| chris062689 | Which package is that though? I have no idea what "flavor" I'm running, you mean the x86_64? |
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| bitshuffler_ | flan_suse: yeah well, then stop using PA or talk to upstream. |
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| flan_suse | bitshuffler_, I did the former: Not using PA. :) |
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| snadge | i know RH6 will no longer provide xen dom0 support.. just wondering if suse is going to do the same |
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| bitshuffler_ | chris062689: "uname -r" |
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| chris062689 | 2.6.34-rc5-6-desktop |
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| flan_suse | chris062689, there's a package called "kernel-syms" but I believe you only need it when compiling something from source. |
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| bitshuffler_ | chris062689: so $flavor = desktop |
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| chris062689 | I remember when I attempted to compile for Ubuntu I ran into dozens upon dozens of dependencies. |
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| bitshuffler_ | chris062689: kernel-desktop-devel |
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| chris062689 | so search for kernel-desktop-devel? |
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| chris062689 | ok, any specific version? |
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| bitshuffler_ | no, simply install it. |
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| flan_suse | chris062689, that's the exact name of the package. |
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| flan_suse | bitshuffler_, there's no way for him to install the 8168 rpm package you made? |
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| chris062689 | That would be amazing :O |
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| bitshuffler_ | he asid earlier that the current factory snapshot doesn't work for him |
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| chris062689 | I don't know if it does or not. |
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| chris062689 | I have a ksym as a dependency. |
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| flan_suse | bitshuffler_, he said something about a dependency. |
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| flan_suse | kernel-syms ? |
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| chris062689 | I assume so. |
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| chris062689 | That's what google searches brought me to |
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| chris062689 | I just don't know where to find that package at. |
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| flan_suse | chris062689, it's called "kernel-syms" in the Updates repo. |
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| bitshuffler_ | chris062689: Anyways, no offense, but since you don't seem to have much clue about what you are doing why do you intned on installing Factory (development version) instead of just sticking with the latest release = 11.2 ? |
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| chris062689 | I have an idea of what I'm doing, I told you already that I'm not familiar with rpm's though. |
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| chris062689 | So I don't know where to go to actually find said packages, I realize there on a repo, I just don't know the path to the mirrors. |
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| flan_suse | chris062689, should be in the included repos. |
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| flan_suse | chris062689, you're using the YaST package manager? |
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| bitshuffler_ | chris062689: fine then, simply note that "factory" is the development version which can blow up right in your face at any second ;) |
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| chris062689 | yes flan_suse. |
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| chris062689 | But I can't simply install it, because I don't have an ethernet connection! |
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| chris062689 | I have to grab each package manually, download it, transfer it over via USB, then install it manually. |
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| bitshuffler_ | chris062689: so perhaps get accustomed with 11.2 (=release) and then, when you got familiar, go for factory. |
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| chris062689 | Will this problem probably be resolved for 11.3? |
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| bitshuffler_ | e.g. then that whole r8168 werent a probem either. |
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| chris062689 | (in time for it's release) |
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| chris062689 | ok. |
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| bitshuffler_ | chris062689: if you file a bug? |
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| bitshuffler_ | chris062689: iow: FILE A FECKING BUG please! ;D |
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| chris062689 | I'll go ahead and look around opensuse 11.2 some more. |
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| chris062689 | Fine, I'll look into that too :P |
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| chris062689 | Thanks guys. |
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| bitshuffler_ | if you wont it will bite you on 11.3 too |
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| bitshuffler_ | ... |
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| flan_suse | bitshuffler_, I would ask about my .exe problem, but I'm out. |
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| bitshuffler_ | don't ask me about wine, I never use it |
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| Schmitty | how do I install kde on 11.2 via zypper? |
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| Chrysantine | zypper in -t pattern kde |
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| Schmitty | thanx Chrysantine |
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| Action: Chrysantine wiggles |
| mages | hi |
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| andoresu | hi |
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| mages | hi andoresu |
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| andoresu | Is there a way to get gnome music applet on opensuse? |
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| mages | i think it is in yast |
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| mages | yes |
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| andoresu | mages: in yast? where?? |
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| mages | in yast or in install software i think |
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| mages | i do not know too |
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| mages | u do not try kde ando |
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| andoresu | mages: I'm running gnome. |
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| mages | hi ok |
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| mages | i have problem too , i want to install opensuse in live cd mode but it require password |
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| mages | what is the password, i even do not enter password in opensuse , live cd do not require password i think |
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| Chrysantine | There is no password on the livecd :p |
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| andoresu | Is there a way to get gnome music applet on opensuse? |
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| Chrysantine | andoresu: What is the applet? |
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| andoresu | Chrysantine: do you know music-applet? |
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| Chrysantine | andoresu: No I don't use GNOME at all, just trying to figure out what it is :) |
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| andoresu | ok |
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| andoresu | Don't worry. I've just compiled it and it seems to work properly |
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| andoresu | http://www.kuliniewicz.org/music-applet/downloads/music-applet-2.5.1.tar.gz |
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| Chrysantine | andoresu: It says it's superceded by Panflute. |
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| andoresu | yes |
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| watatem | what is the equivalent program on putty in openSUSE? |
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| Chrysantine | watatem: Open a terminal and ssh somewhere? |
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| watatem | Chrysantine: i see thanks, what about serial communication? like hyperterm in windows? |
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| Chrysantine | watatem: minicom |
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| watatem | Chrysantine: thanks, ill try minicom |
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| watatem | Chrysantine: zypper in minicom, right? |
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| Chrysantine | watatem: yeah it's a terminal application as well |
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| bitshuffler_ | Just to prevent any "THE NOEZ SAX IS THE DEADZ!" whining http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2010-05/msg00079.html - bring it to the beloved forums and find someone who fixes the rotten thing. |
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| Chrysantine | Haha. |
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| bitshuffler_ | ;P ;D |
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| bitshuffler_ | !search sax |
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| SUSEhelp | Matching factoids: sax2; |
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| bitshuffler_ | !sax2 |
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| SUSEhelp | From openSUSE 11.2 and onwards there's no xorg.conf by default and X configuration is handled by HAL/autodetection instead of SaX2. For now you can still run 'sax2' from a root terminal if you must. You can also manually create /etc/X11/xorg.conf with added options |
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| bitshuffler_ | !sax2 is From openSUSE 11.2 and onwards there's no xorg.conf by default and X configuration is handled by HAL/autodetection instead of SaX2. For now you can still run 'sax2' from a root terminal if you must. You can also manually create /etc/X11/xorg.conf with added options. If you are interested in keeping it alive from 11..3 on see http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2010-05/msg00079.html |
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| SUSEhelp | bitshuffler_: Remembering sax2. |
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| bitshuffler_ | !sax2 |
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| SUSEhelp | From openSUSE 11.2 and onwards there's no xorg.conf by default and X configuration is handled by HAL/autodetection instead of SaX2. For now you can still run 'sax2' from a root terminal if you must. You can also manually create /etc/X11/xorg.conf with added options. If you are interested in keeping it alive from 11..3 on see |
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| SUSEhelp | http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2010-05/msg00079.html |
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| bitshuffler_ | yah ;P |
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| Chrysantine | Die die die :D |
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| Action: bitshuffler_ hugs his nvidia card ;P |
| andoresu | cya |
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| Chrysantine | bitshuffler_: with the conf.d it should be pretty trivial to hack together a quick ati.conf randomwtf.conf |
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| Chrysantine | bitshuffler_: In case the retard autodetection doesn't work :p |
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| bitshuffler_ | Chrysantine: hack me together some buntu build root that doesn't take the double time to setup compared to rpm based stuff ;P |
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| Chrysantine | bitshuffler_: Install in a VM ;D |
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| bitshuffler_ | Chrysantine: "osc buildinfo security:OpenVAS:STABLE:v2 openvas-libraries xUbuntu_10.04 x86_64 | grep bdep | sort" too much brainfuck already ;D |
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| Chrysantine | bitshuffler_: VM! ;p |
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| bitshuffler_ | Chrysantine: nah, minimizing buntu boot strap on OBS. |
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| Action: Chrysantine pats her collection of random VMs for no reason. |
| bitshuffler_ | Chrysantine: the awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjn2xAfOfzo ! |
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| bitshuffler_ | Chrysantine: but you have to whatch it till the end ;P |
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| Chrysantine | I am so not going to fall for that again |
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| bitshuffler_ | nahmm it's a totally different thing and you'll gonna love it! |
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| Chrysantine | Such transparent lies! :D |
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| bitshuffler_ | TEH NOEZ! |
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| bitshuffler_ | Chrysantine: heidi ;P |
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| Chrysantine | I knew it! |
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| bitshuffler_ | :D |
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| Action: bitshuffler_ struts :D |
| javier_ | JasonWoof: it's now part of the games repository ;) |
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| watatem | is it possible to write linux device driver just with linux-kernel-headers and withouth kernel-source? |
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| watatem | in openSUSE that is, because in ubuntu, i can write without the source. |
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| bitshuffler_ | then please look into the source and tell us how that works ;P ((as in package name is nothing ) |
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| ukwiz | does opensuse have an equivalent to anacron? |
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| bitshuffler_ | and anacron is what? |
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| ukwiz | bitshuffler_, cron for machines that are not powered up all the time - on powerup it checks to see if any cron jobs have been missed, and runs them |
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| Chrysantine | cronie+anacron mebbe? |
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| avenir | Nickserv |
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