| deadleigh | only humans can come up with such evil |
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| Metrick | Ubasti: it's the only entertainment the freaks have |
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| Metrick | they have no good food, music |
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| Metrick | etc |
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| Ubasti | Or when they want you tortured, by golly they go all out. |
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| Metrick | yeah |
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| deadleigh | the freaks in the US also have a similar form of entertainment its called capital punishment (same as the one in Iran) and the media devours it with gusto |
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| Metrick | no but when there are no criminals left to torture |
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| Metrick | they went and hanged about 10 business men they called corrupt or something |
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| deadleigh | same shit just another name or method |
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| deadleigh | heh |
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| Metrick | or the business men simply weren't making them enough money |
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| Metrick | deadleigh: I know |
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| katherine | Yeah.. it was because of the lack of TV in ANCIENT FUCKING PERSIA. |
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| katherine | What a fuckwit |
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| bad-bob | when the Aztecs were sacrificing for blood, the Spanish were burning heretics. |
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| Metrick | deadleigh: sure darryl holton was obviously drugged out of it when he supposedly chose the electric chair |
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| Ubasti | Well aren't you guys of the very popular, PC, liberal view that the death penalty is bad. |
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| Ubasti | Torture is...but not how we have the death penalty in the US...it's the most humane way. |
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| Metrick | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A1NLoZ1vMc |
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| Metrick | Ubasti: buring alive? |
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| deadleigh | MEtrick: its still a barbaric practice IMO .. and no amount of dressing it up in a supposedly humane way is gonna change that. The problem is humans are just an evil, scheming, nasty bunch. Nothing will change that |
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| Metrick | Ubasti: even in russia, they used guns |
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| Ubasti | I'm not gonna watch that, but what are you talking about burying alive? |
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| Metrick | what? |
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| Metrick | no |
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| Ubasti | How about it's barbaric to murder and rape someone who doesn't deserve it. |
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| bad-bob | after the Spaniards conquered Mexico, they set up an auto-de-fe (execution place) in the Aztec temple square |
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| LawOrder | anyone likes the naked russian spy Anal Chapman's pics? |
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| Metrick | Ubasti: human nature, and humans on drugs etc |
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| deadleigh | LawOrder she is super hot |
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| LawOrder | she is at least c cup |
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| LawOrder | nice boobs |
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| Ubasti | Yes it's human nature, but it's also up to govt to serve justice...and letting someone who has murderer another live is not justice. |
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| Ubasti | Law, wrong room for such discussions |
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| Metrick | that's playground rules justice Ubasti |
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| Metrick | mental age of 10 |
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| deadleigh | hah yeah .. now there is a pleasant view LAwOrder:)... better than this morbid shit about torture |
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| Metrick | "lets get them back" |
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| katherine | Killing people against their will is, imho, evil. |
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| Metrick | "he tripped me at soccer first!!" |
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| Metrick | "but he did it first!!!" |
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| katherine | I dont care what someone did, if they do not want to die, killing them is evil. |
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| Ubasti | Meh, liberal hippies |
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| Metrick | me too katherine |
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| katherine | Ubasti: Well done. You just showed you cant have a discussion with adults. Have a nice day. |
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| deadleigh | Ubasti you wouldnt be saying that if you were in the electric chair |
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| Ubasti | If I were in the electric chair because I had murdered someone, I deserve to be there. |
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| Ubasti | katherine, like I care about your view of me :) |
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| Metrick | katherine: look |
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| Ubasti | People who murder deserve for the govt to murder them. |
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| Metrick | katherine: this guy was a maniac |
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| Metrick | katherine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chikatilo |
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| deadleigh | pointless convo ... |
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| Metrick | katherine: child rapist and killer etc |
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| pollini | hello is everybody o.k. in usa??i doubt |
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| katherine | Metrick: And? |
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| Metrick | katherine: but the russians just gave him one in the back of the head |
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| Metrick | katherine: they didn't throw him into a pit of tarrantulas or burn him slowly in the electric chair |
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| Metrick | a government is not superior to a paedophile or mass murderer |
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| Metrick | if it goes and does the same back to them |
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| katherine | Metrick: So? They still killed him, and I believe that is evil. |
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| Metrick | and makes the people feel that it is justified |
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| Ubasti | So an evil person who murdered someone should be allowed to live while getting fed three times a day, watching TV, etc.? |
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| Metrick | katherine: well there was a plea for clemency cause he was abused as a child, but the president denied it |
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| pollini | it was enough to see from the report that a liar like bill klinton who transformed the white house into sex-street considered the number 13 best president..to see who is the source |
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| Metrick | Ubasti: widescreen sony |
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| bleubunny | hello |
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| Metrick | Ubasti: or that pioneer hd 600hz tv! |
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| Ubasti | hi bleu |
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| deadleigh | Ubasti the problem with your argument is that if someone is a neanderthal, u have to become one too, to seek "justice" ; do grow up |
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| bleubunny | hi! |
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| Metrick | aye deadleigh |
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| Metrick | you don't club every suspect to death |
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| bleubunny | wow i'm on mibbit |
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| Ubasti | How exactly is it you think you can define what is and is not justice? Why isn't justice taking from the person who took, what they took from another? |
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| bleubunny | i never knew about this before |
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| bleubunny | cool |
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| Ubasti | bleu, yah it's cool eh |
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| Metrick | just to satisfy the people's lust for murder of the murderer |
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| pollini | well funny:bush was responsible cause a natural disaster occured but obama is not responsible for a human-made spot oil which wasn't treated from 6 months |
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| deadleigh | no wonder the human race doesnt grow up; infantile reactions and base instincts to murder loot rape and pillage |
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| Ubasti | It has nothing to do with a lust for murder, it has to do with a sense of justice, that the person who took another's life does not keep theirs in return. |
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| Metrick | obama administration have killed how many hundred thousand since in power? |
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| pollini | no one heared about that silly report? |
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| bleubunny | yeah just think of all the dead sea life |
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| Metrick | Ubasti: it's fuckin steven segalish |
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| Metrick | Ubasti: "you killed my wife, NOW I TAKE YOUR LIFE" |
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| Metrick | lol |
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| pollini | did obama change anything? |
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| CLU | "An eye for an eye" was a metaphor. The Christian bible is actually telling us to become a society of lawyers and actuaries. |
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| Ubasti | Haha liberal hippies indeed, whatever. |
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| katherine | When you start looking at a book from the bronze age as a guide to your morality, then you are fucked up. |
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| bleubunny | hippies and their medical marijuana are going to destroy our country and obama is going to bomb us |
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| Ubasti | Well aren't you highly opinionated and crude while at it, katherine...not a fan of the dweebs in here right now. C-ya. |
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| bleubunny | thats why they chose that fake name for him |
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| bleubunny | because everyone knows he has no real birth certificate |
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| CLU | If you really want to deter crime, you strap convicts to tables and let a guy with a puke green leather smock over his white lab coat play with the convict using acids and salts and scalpels and broadcast it on national TV. |
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| Metrick | ubasti is a dinosaur for 2010 |
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| pollini | did u hear about that report? |
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| CLU | Works in movies, anyway. |
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| bleubunny | or let Dexter kill them |
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| CLU | Nooooo, don't kill them, at least not intentionally. |
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| Metrick | CLU: that only makes people more angry, and split with the government |
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| bleubunny | yeah we just need to get someone like dexter |
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| bleubunny | he can stab them in the heart |
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| CLU | Actually, I'd prefer if all the scalpel guys looked like Christopher Lloyd. |
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| Metrick | CLU: wtf ever happened to the line "innocent until proven guilty"? cause the western world has it back to front |
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| Metrick | CLU: next we'll be back to burning suspected witches |
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| CLU | I do believe I used the word convict. |
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| Metrick | what if there is a chance |
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| Metrick | they are wrongfully convicted |
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| Metrick | ? |
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| byLL | NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim World http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/05/nasa-chief-frontier-better-relations-muslims/ |
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| pollini | in mississipi they blame a white president for a natural disaster and accept that a spot oil to need 4 months of treatment? |
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| Metrick | CLU: and a jury of lay people is insane |
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| Metrick | CLU: for a start most people aren't educated |
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| CLU | I saw that in a TV show too. Simply assign matching sentences to private attorneys that lose. Public defenders would be exempt. If someone was later found wrongfully convicted, the prosecuter for the case receives the sentence instead. |
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| Metrick | CLU: and the jury should be screened for not being all republican |
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| Metrick | CLU: the jury should be upper class of the community, or mixed |
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| Metrick | CLU: not a bunch of randoms |
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| bleubunny | or tested by IQ |
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| Metrick | CLU: I talked to a schizophrenic girl, from texas, who was called for fucking jury duty, cause her dad was in nam |
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| CLU | Educated juries I would agree with, but people would simply intentionally fail any test you give them if they want to get out of it. |
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| CLU | You'd need to attach it to getting things like drivers licenses. |
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| bleubunny | yeah |
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| Metrick | and should the jury be allowed to talk to each other at all? |
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| Metrick | or just anonymously vote? |
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| CLU | If they didn't deliberate together, you'd probably never reach a unanimous conviction. |
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| Metrick | CLU: excactly |
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| Metrick | CLU: give the person on trial the benefit of the doubt |
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| Metrick | CLU: and not give the jury a chance to intentionally make their minds up so they can go home and relax |
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| CLU | If they weren't allowed to deliberate, we'd have to make it a majority vote. Even without deliberation, convictions would probably increase. |
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| CLU | Not really helping "benefit of the doubt" that way. |
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| Metrick | I agree with that CLU |
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| Metrick | 51% |
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| Metrick | or else freed |
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| CLU | The jury doesn't get to make up their minds and go home until the trial finishes. How often do they take longer than a day to decide after the end of a case? |
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| deadleigh | there are more bans in this channel than ppl who talk sense |
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| Metrick | CLU: the jury shouldn't be allowed to form fucking relationships |
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| Metrick | CLU: they should be all independant minds |
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| Metrick | CLU: people like you laugh in the face of democracy |
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| CLU | You have far too little data to possibly assign me to anything appropriate for the phrase "people like you". |
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| Metrick | ok |
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| Metrick | you have a point there |
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| Metrick | but you're still coming over |
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| Metrick | a bit right wing |
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| Metrick | in my perception |
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| CLU | I think most of the regulars here would laugh at that. |
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| Metrick | they're all nixons |
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| Metrick | not fit for 2010 |
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| Metrick | remember the film from the 60s, 2001? |
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| CLU | According to political profiling quizzes and such, you'd have to be off the left end of the scale to call me "right". :) |
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| Metrick | a vision that, by 40 years time, we'd have dropped the ignorance? |
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| judah | o |
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| judah | a rascal now he |
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| CLU | I don't really fit into any party, I have huge disagreements on varying issues with every one I've heard of. |
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| bleubunny | like what |
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| judah | CLU i do too |
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| judah | i think there is not REALLY any party that represents me |
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| judah | as a person |
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| judah | it is too much group mentality |
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| CLU | For abortion rights, against no-fault divorce with kids under 18, for drilling in Alaska and gun rights, umm... |
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| CLU | I was trying to alternate typical Republica and Democrat talking points, but I am blanking out for both suddenly. |
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| deadleigh | the problem and affiliations to political parties always debated about is increasingly redundant as far as the US is concerned. Global policy will be increasingly made in and driven by parties of China, India and others...the US will become another nobody like the UK is now |
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| judah | you should be pro animals |
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| bleubunny | they need more than 2 political parties |
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| Metrick | aye |
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| Metrick | labradors |
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| judah | ye |
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| judah | 2 parties |
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| judah | isn't that |
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| judah | a little |
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| judah | ? |
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| CLU | Animal cruelty laws are good, but PETA should be killed and eaten. |
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| judah | yes |
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| LawOrder | damn iphone assembly cost is only 1% of total cost |
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| Metrick | the labrador party versus the rottweiler party |
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| judah | no petapaladins |
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| judah | they kind failed in a way |
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| judah | they are the ony coporation if you can even call it a coporation that fail to bribe the ppl with money hot girls and stars |
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| deadleigh | Law: an iPhone apparently costs $189 to make fully.. so Apple's markup is staggering |
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| Metrick | labradors are ahead of humans and other dogs, they don't have the death penalty |
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| bleubunny | how much is the iphone |
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| LawOrder | apple makes $360 on profit |
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| LawOrder | twice the cost of making it |
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| LawOrder | that is like 60% profit margin |
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| LawOrder | totally immoral |
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| bleubunny | oh yeah |
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| judah | labradors make good blind ppl dogs |
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| deadleigh | Law: yeah and they get a cut of all the exclusive data revenue |
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| bleubunny | well you don't have to buy it |
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| CLU | And yet Apple sets the wholesale price such that retailers make maybe $5 on each unit and has to make their real money on accessories. |
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| bleubunny | i'm not |
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| deadleigh | I have a Google Nexus |
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| LawOrder | it's morel like cocaine |
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| judah | LawOrder how much does an iphone cost ? |
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| deadleigh | iphone is over rated |
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| LawOrder | you know its bad but its addictive |
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| CLU | That's for pretty much all Apple products, not any one in particular. |
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