BigBrownChunx	its windows-specific
briswolf	or at least allusing to it?
briswolf	alluding*
briswolf	yes but I didn't know there was a window specific part to the FAQ
briswolf	Thanks for the help, things look *almost* the same now. The font is a tiny bit different but I'll live
BigBrownChunx	:)
briswolf	I guess the themes can't easily be packaged with pidgin for windows, since the installer downloads GTK at install time
briswolf	perhaps the themes + theme chooser could be installed in a similar fashion?
briswolf	I just think you will have plenty of confused people like me, although maybe people put up with the default theme
dollarbang	it worked, I was able to copy the .profile directory on a W7 32b PC to a W7 64b PC, install Pidgin, start it, get my IM's online as well as IRC chat.
isez	any insight as to why I can no longer get Pidgin to flash the taskbar entry when a conversation receives a new message? (problem since upgrade to 2.7.0, from whatever the previous release was, on WinXP)
QuLogic	known bug
isez	der... I should learn to check bugs before I bother y'all here... thanks QuLogic
jemaltz	there's a patched DLL on the bug tracker, I do not recall the ticket ID though
BigBrownChunx	http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/11842
jemaltz	QuLogic: re: http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/2629 , the original ticket adds --enable-gtkstatusicon and overall has changes in it for adding a docklet to the OS X menu bar...the ticket is closed, but that flag is not part of 2.7.0, and the docklet does not appear on OS X compiled as-is
jemaltz	did I miss a change?
QuLogic	the flag is unnecessary, it's always used
QuLogic	I can't say why it wouldn't show up at all, though
QuLogic	do other GTK+ applications work?
jemaltz	it worked when those patches were applied via macports (pre-2.7.0)
jemaltz	well, pidgin works, there's just no docklet
QuLogic	I doubt there would be anything much different from that, if it actually used GtkStatusIcon
QuLogic	clearly I was referring to other GTK+ applications with a docklet
jemaltz	:) well, I don't have any others installed...I can try some things though (and I will note, re-installing pidgin 2.6.6 does work with the docklet)
QuLogic	that's totally irrelevant, though
jemaltz	I'm not clear why, but more to the point, is there an application you can think of that would test it?
isez	jemaltz: do you know why the updated DLL is significantly larger than the 2.7.0 version (3.22MB vs. 894KB, respectively)
QuLogic	isez: it includes debugging symbols
QuLogic	jemaltz: there's a teststatusicon thing that comes with GTK+, but you'd probably have to compile that yourself
isez	QuLogic jemaltz: thanks, problem solved and I'm a happy user again :-)
jemaltz	I'll build it outside of macports, but using their binaries/libs/etc
jemaltz	(i.e. outside of the "port" system)
Hellhammer	When ever I try and install the new pidgin it tells me it can't get the new GTK runtime and when i cancel the GTK download i get a plugin error that crashes the program
Hellhammer	What do i do?
BigBrownChunx	just keep clicking retry until you get it, or download the offline installer
Hellhammer	I've tried multiple installs it seems unreachable
jemaltz	use the offline installer
jemaltz	QuLogic: teststatusicon works
QuLogic	and you actually have the icon enabled in the preferences?
QuLogic	Always or On Unread Messages?
jemaltz	always
jemaltz	and, as mentioned, previous versions of pidgin work with the current prefs
QuLogic	does toggling the pref show anything in the debug window?
jemaltz	how can I open the buddy list window without the docklet?
deryni	You can't see the buddy list window?
jemaltz	no
deryni	But pidgin is running?
jemaltz	yes
deryni	That shouldn't be possible without also having the docklet somewhere.
jemaltz	it prompts me for account passwords; account data is saved for IRC which auto-connects
jemaltz	if I were to guess, I had the buddy list window hidden before I upgraded
jemaltz	thus it's just retaining the setting
deryni	Right, but we have code to force the window to be visible if no docklets exist.
jemaltz	I do not see either.
deryni	Yeah, then I'd check the debug window output from when pidgin starts. If you built with dbus you should be able to use that to force the list window back open also.
jemaltz	(23:42:40) GLib-GObject: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
Last message repeated 1 time(s).
jemaltz	(23:42:40) docklet: GTK+ created
jemaltz	ah I missed the message before that...I'll pastebin to avoid spamming
garimbo	jemaltz pasted "(23:42:40) gtkblist: added vis" (8 lines) at http://www.pidgin.im/nopaste/109
QuLogic	that first thing could be a problem...
QuLogic	you need <prefix>/share/pixmaps/pidgin/tray/hicolor/<size>x<size>/*
deryni	If that's failing it isn't failing hard enough or we aren't catching the failure right.
jemaltz	QuLogic: I have those
QuLogic	and /usr/share/icons/hicolor/index.theme?
jemaltz	that's missing
QuLogic	you need the hicolor theme, then
jemaltz	where can I attain that?
QuLogic	deryni: I don't think there's anything that can be done about that
QuLogic	it just happens that the GtkStatusIcon is the only thing that looks up icons by name
deryni	QuLogic: I mean if that error is preventing the docklet from working we need to catch that so we can yank the visibility manager.
QuLogic	the only way to do that would be to try and load an icon ourselves, I think
deryni	We don't need to care what the error actually is, just that the GtkStatusIcon isn't actually going to exist.
deryni	We check gtk_status_icon_new for returning NULL, but this appears not to be doing that.
QuLogic	yes, but it does exist
QuLogic	it just has no icon
deryni	Not visibly.
deryni	Unless it is visible with a broken icon and jemaltz just didn't realize that's what it is.
Cobalt	It might be something to do with where the icon files are put.
QuLogic	it should have the broken icon, but he doesn't have the default fallback theme
jemaltz	deryni: there's nothing to click
Cobalt	I had a similar issue with the packages built for Ubuntu last night.
deryni	QuLogic: You mean to load the broken image icon from?
QuLogic	deryni: yea, that should be in hicolor
jemaltz	QuLogic: I mean, I have the files, i.e. pidgin-tray-available.png...so it seems like something with pidgin?
deryni	Then I'd call that a bug in GtkStatusIcon since it should know it can't display anything it should fail hard.
Cobalt	Howerver, darkrain said it had something to do with a patch made by Ubuntu that he'd failed to remove, so I don't know if it's in the 2.7.0 source, or just the PPA package.
Cobalt	jemaltz: ^
deryni	Since we can't tell that once it returns a valid GtkWidget.
QuLogic	oh, maybe we can check gtk_status_icon_is_embedded
QuLogic	I'm not sure whether that cares about the icon, though
deryni	That's probably a good idea, but I'd still argue returning non-NULL for a status icon that they know isn't working is a bug.
Cobalt	deryni: The effect for me was that Pidgin would start, but the icon showing in the tray would be the 'image not found' icon, of a blank picture frame.
QuLogic	Cobalt: your issue is unrelated
deryni	Cobalt: Right, but that's at least present, his doesn't even have that and he says it isn't present at all.
Cobalt	Fair enough, but it seemed similar.
deryni	What's the point of embedding an icon that has no image and is, for all intents and purposes, not actually there?
jemaltz	when reading Cobalt and deryni's exchange, it sounded very similar
jemaltz	err darkrain's exchange*
Cobalt	deryni: Might be the case, because mine falls back on a hicolor 'picture not found' icon, whereas he doesn't even have that installed.
deryni	Right.
deryni	I'm fine with a picture-not-found docklet being considered valid.
deryni	I'm not fine with one that has no icon and doesn't display being considered valid.
Cobalt	deryni: It might be doing that because the fallback icon does not exist in jemaltz's case, because he's on a Mac and does not have the usually default-installed hicolor icon theme or something.
deryni	Right, I understand why we believe we are getting a no-icon docklet.
deryni	I'm arguing that I consider GtkStatusIcon handing us back such a docklet a bug and that we should be doing more to verify that we actually have a docklet since this can happen.
jemaltz	is there a location I can check for the fallback icon?
Cobalt	deryni: Makes sense.
darkrain	Delete some other icons Pidgin uses and see if you get the "broken image" image there :)
deryni	Heh.
Cobalt	jemaltz: The theme itself seems to reside in /usr/share/icons/hicolor.
jemaltz	sorry for the logic creeping in, but if pidgin can load some icons, shouldn't it be able to load them all?
darkrain	(I have to imagine that image is built in to GTK+ at some level, instead of being an on-disk image, but maybe that's just me)
Cobalt	darkrain: Or copy the appropriate files in the places Pidgin expects it at.
darkrain	That's always harder to figure out :)
darkrain	Easier to break things than put them together, or something like that.
jemaltz	well, here goes renaming a parent directory :p
Cobalt	jemaltz: What do you have in the directory /usr/share/pixmaps/pidgin/tray?
QuLogic	Cobalt: please, you're twenty minutes behind already
jemaltz	I do, but it's at /opt/local/share/pixmaps/pidgin/tray
Cobalt	QuLogic: Don't mind me, I just woke up. :P
Cobalt	jemaltz: PM me the contents of the folder.
QuLogic	Cobalt: we've already established what the problem is
Cobalt	Just out of curiosity.
jemaltz	right then, I just renamed hicolor to hicolor.h, and I still have all pidgin icons (that I can see, like at the password screen)
jemaltz	Cobalt: one moment
Cobalt	Yeah, but I was wondering if the fix I cobbled together last night might work for him, pending a code change or something.
QuLogic	no, it won't
Cobalt	How do you know that? :P You don't even know what I did.
QuLogic	deryni: GtkStatusIcon does not know whether it's embedded immediately after it's created
jemaltz	Cobalt: I PMed you, not sure if it went through though
QuLogic	it seems like it happens when we set the icon (which we don't do on create)
QuLogic	let me try one more thing, though
deryni	We had a timeout/delay in the X11 icon creation because embedding could take a little time also.
QuLogic	anyway, embedding is not the problem, it's broken packaging that is
deryni	We have a problem if we can believe we have an embedded icon when we don't.
deryni	Separate from whatever manages to cause that.
QuLogic	yes, aside from that
luipugs	hello. is there a way to remove the attention button in pidgin 2.7.0?
darkrain	No, however you can disable the entire bar.
luipugs	aww. not the answer i was hoping for.
deryni	Is there something different about the attention button that you want the ability to remove it specifically and not any of the other buttons specifically?
jemaltz	darkrain: I realized that I didn't rename the correct folder: I actually do get the "broken image" icon for missing pidgin icons (aka for the password dialog)
Jouva	Is anybody familiar with jabber transport services?
deryni	Ask, don't ask to ask.
luipugs	@deryni. it increases the minimum width of the conversation window. i like the original width because i only have a small screen, and i have other windows open that need the width more.
luipugs	also, i don't even use the attention button.
rekkanoryo	you *could* always just hide the formatting toolbar
luipugs	i like the smile button.
rekkanoryo	that would also allow you to reclaim some vertical space
deryni	luipugs: Right, but that doesn't answer the question, unless the answer is "I'm used to the size it used to be".
Cobalt	There's a plugin that allows you to resize the _buddy list_ to any size. Might be possible for the conversation window also?
deryni	I'm not sure it does the magic for the conv window but the same magic could be done.
luipugs	what plugin is that?
rekkanoryo	that plugin currently does not
Cobalt	Is there a shortcut/hotkey to bring up the smileys if you've got the toolbar disabled?
rekkanoryo	however, it doesn't always work correctly for the buddy list anyway
Cobalt	luipugs: The plugin just works on the buddy list.
Cobalt	luipugs: You'd be okay if you disabled the toolbar and had a keyboard shortcut to bring up the list of smileys. Try looking into that.
rekkanoryo	Cobalt: no, the Smile button is the only way to grapically insert smileys
Jouva	Basically I want to use IM transports on my gtalk account so that I can hopefully get a more efficient method of having an IM program that is up on my android device. But I don't ALWAYS want to be using the transport.
Cobalt	rekkanoryo: Makes sense. Still.
Jouva	I forget if there's a way to "disconnect" from the transport so to speak without completely unregistering the transport
deryni	Jouva: Sending it directed unavailable presence should do that as long as things are managed correctly, but beyond that I'm not sure.
jemaltz	whoa, copying the "index.theme" fixed it...ish
Jouva	hmmm
jemaltz	now the tray icon is quite large, but it's there
jemaltz	and it does not have a context menu
jemaltz	and the behavior is all screwy
QuLogic	jemaltz: are you building pidgin from source?
jemaltz	okay, performing a proper install of hicolor-icon-theme seems to resolve the weird behavior (on a quick glance), but the context menu is still missing; clicking the icon merely toggles a visible buddy list
jemaltz	QuLogic: I built pidgin from source, then installed the hicolor theme
QuLogic	you need to right-click to get the menu (which is different on a mac, I realize)
jemaltz	I know that much :) but right-clicking does not reveal the context menu (which, again, it used to)
jemaltz	and the docklet is using the old icons, like the smiley for a new message
QuLogic	there are no new icons for size!=22
jemaltz	I guess that the old versions used size == 22 then
QuLogic	what version of GTK+ is it?
jemaltz	2.18.8
QuLogic	deryni: so either this was fixed in one minor release (I have 2.18.9) or this is macport specific, because I still get a fallback icon even if I don't have a hicolor/ directory
deryni	Yeah, the icon being mising is odd. I'd definitely have expected it to be built-in not disk-loaded, like darkrain said.
jemaltz	deryni: as I said, I get the broken image icon when other graphics are missing
deryni	Right, but all of this doesn't change the fact that there is a way for GtkStatusIcon to fail that we aren't noticing.
deryni	Which is my main issue.
garimbo	QuLogic pasted "Docklet embed timeout" (99 lines) at http://www.pidgin.im/nopaste/111
QuLogic	jemaltz: can you try that patch, then?
QuLogic	you'll need to remove the hicolor theme, though, because I can't get it to break
deryni	I'm assuming you just grabbed most of that from the x11 docklet code?
QuLogic	basically, yea
QuLogic	except GtkStatusIcon doesn't have an embedded signal
jemaltz	well this is strange...when I load pidgin, it creates a second thread, and then another "pidgin" process temporarily
jemaltz	the second process terminates but the child thread remains
darkrain	The process is for DNS lookups
darkrain	The thread may be gstreamer (or some other external library or third-party plugin)
jemaltz	ah alright.  QuLogic: I will rebuild with that patch
jemaltz	darkrain: no gstreamer here
QuLogic	it won't fix the icon, but pidgin should force itself visible if it determines there's no icon (hopefully)
jemaltz	building now..
jemaltz	QuLogic: any ideas about the context menu?

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