| simula_ | or it might be another one |
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| redeeman | i hope that installs to /opt - / doesn't have enough space for that |
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| simula_ | heh, nopes |
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| simula_ | they ate up all my root.. i'm down to like 10megs :) |
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| simula_ | i'll install everything i cook up to opt though |
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| Xisdibik | dmj7261: 47:72:61:76:69:74:79:20:69:73:20:61:62:6f:75:74:20:74:68:65:20:61:70:70:6c:65:20:66:61:6c:6c:69:6e:67:20:66:72:6f:6d:20:74:68:65:20:74:72:65:65:2e |
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| dmj7261 | ? |
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| Xisdibik | I wrote you something ;) |
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| dmj7261 | Your IPv8 address? |
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| Xisdibik | nop |
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| Xisdibik | http://www.dolcevie.com/js/converter.html |
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| dmj7261 | hehe |
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| Xisdibik | ;) |
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| dmj7261 | I've written lots of things in hex, but I'd rather not draw pictures in it. |
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| tank-man | x-face maker :) http://www.dairiki.org/xface/xface.php |
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| AakashPatel | dmj7261: ivp8? |
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| AakashPatel | IPv8*? |
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| AakashPatel | Does that even exist yet? lol |
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| dmj7261 | a joke...we're still not fully on IPv6 |
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| dmj7261 | no it doesn't |
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| AakashPatel | Yeah haah |
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| dmj7261 | (but it was too long to be IPv6 |
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| dmj7261 | hmmm...could have vanity IP addresses, just like license plates. |
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| AakashPatel | Yeah, tahts what i was wondering lol |
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| dmj7261 | A corporation might choose something like: |
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| dmj7261 | 47:6f:6f:67:6c:65:3a:20:44:6f:20:4e:6f:20:45:76:69:6c:2e |
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| dmj7261 | or |
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| dmj7261 | 4d:61:65:6d:6f:3a:20:4c:61:73:65:72:20:50:65:6e:67:75:69:6e:73:2e |
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| dmj7261 | or even |
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| dmj7261 | 41:70:70:6c:65:3a:20:53:68:69:6e:79:20:53:68:69:74:2e |
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| dmj7261 | http://www.dolcevie.com/js/converter.html |
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| zash | dmj7261: lol |
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| dmj7261 | shiny |
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| JoshTriplett1 | Hi. I report and triage a lot of bugs in the Maemo bugzilla, and I wondered if I might request "canconfirm" or "editbugs" permission, so that I could more easily help with triage rather than just noting a necessary status change so someone else can make it. What procedure exists for requesting such permissions? |
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| DocScrutinizer | dmj7261: .--. .-.. . .- ... . ... - --- .--. - .... .. ... -. --- -. ... . -. ... . ...-.- |
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| JoshTriplett1 | DocScrutinizer: What nonsense? ;) |
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| dmj7261 | hehe |
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| GeneralAntilles | JoshTriplett1, we don't really have a strong formal process for it. |
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| GeneralAntilles | But talk to Andre about it. |
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| Action: JoshTriplett1 fixes his nick. |
| JoshTriplett | Must have gotten disconnected at some point. :) |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'll ping him tomorrow if I remember. |
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| JoshTriplett | GeneralAntilles: Thanks! |
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| jebba900 | anyone tried video plugin with pidgin? |
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| GeneralAntilles | JoshTriplett, he's usually on here under andre__ |
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| GeneralAntilles | JoshTriplett, it's about 5 AM there, though. ;) |
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| jebba900 | JoshTriplett, also see #maemo-bugs and there is a bug day on the 15th, see the wiki |
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| JoshTriplett | jebba900: Yeah, I saw that on Planet. |
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| microlith | woohoo, newegg charge for my N900 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | microlith, gimme your account info. I'm happy to charge you as well if you enjoy it so much :-P |
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| Action: Xisdibik charges microlith's card aswell |
| luke-jr | lol |
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| Vratha | hi |
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| Vratha | just got Nokia Messaging setup for my email today |
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| Vratha | i wonder how much they plan to charge for that when it goes live |
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| Vratha | if i have to, i'll just setup my home system to text message me when a new email arrives |
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| JoshTriplett | Vratha: I feel certain that won't prove necessary. :) |
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| Vratha | you think it's going to remain a free service/ |
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| JoshTriplett | Vratha: Most likely, but even if it doesn't I feel certain that Maemo will support other mechanisms for achieving the same thing. |
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| Vratha | maybe. i'm waiting to see inbox search and "smart folders" |
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| Arkenoi | btw i do not see imap folders in gmail with nokia messaging and duplicate sent and draft folders instead :-( is it known bug? |
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| JoshTriplett | Arkenoi: The duplicate sent and drafts folders represents one of the most requested missing features. |
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| JoshTriplett | Arkenoi: See https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2557 and http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/keep_sent_and_drafts_on_imap_server/ |
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| povbot | Bug 2557: Keep Sent and Drafts on IMAP server |
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| JoshTriplett | Arkenoi: I don't know what you mean by the other issue. |
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| JoshTriplett | Possibly an issue with IMAP subscriptions; I think Modest (the email client) only shows subscribed folders. |
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| Arkenoi | JoshTriplett, it is not local folders and server folders - it is two copies of server folders |
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| JoshTriplett | Arkenoi: Oh. That sounds like a different issue, then. |
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| JoshTriplett | Arkenoi: I don't know the problem there, sorry. |
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| JoshTriplett | Arkenoi: Possibly a known issue, possibly not. I'd suggest doing a quick search on bugzilla to see if you see the bug, and if not you should report it. |
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| Arkenoi | one has "globe" icon and one has regular one, but the contents are the same - i see server-side messages that were not sent via nokia messaging in both |
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| Arkenoi | and there are no subscription options, at least none i could find |
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| microlith | oooh |
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| microlith | tracking number even |
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| microlith | friday! |
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| JoshTriplett | microlith: :) |
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| JoshTriplett | microlith: I know that feeling. :) |
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| JoshTriplett | Arkenoi: Modest doesn't have any visible subscription options; it just hides any folder you haven't subscribed to. |
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| JoshTriplett | Arkenoi: But in any case, the behavior you described definitely sounds like a bug. |
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| microlith | I can retire this ancient A1200 |
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| JoshTriplett | Arkenoi: You should report it. |
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| timperi | amiga 1200? |
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| microlith | Motorola |
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| JoshTriplett | microlith: Heh. I can beat that: this replaces my Nokia 3120b. :) |
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| timperi | ;) |
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| microlith | timperi: you must have big pockets :) |
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| timperi | it's the nonfunctioning microphone that bothers me really |
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| ersin | hey does anyone know why hard vfp is disabled in scratchbox? |
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| ersin | so silly that the n8x0 has a vfp unit and that it doesn't get used |
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| ersin | i understand that a lot of apps are compiled w/ thumb to make them smaller |
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| ersin | but there are still plenty that use softfp |
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| ersin | whoa looks like i disconnected |
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| ersin | did anyone get my question? |
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| JoshTriplett | ersin: Netsplit; not a problem on your end. :)( |
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| JoshTriplett | Er, :) |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
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| JoshTriplett | And yes, your question went to the channel before the netsplit. |
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| ersin | O_O |
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| ersin | netsplit? |
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| ersin | is that an ice cream? |
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| JoshTriplett | Heh. |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | freenode barfed |
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| ersin | yikes |
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| JoshTriplett | ersin: IRC means "internet relay chat"; the "relay" part means multiple servers pass messages back and forth. |
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| JoshTriplett | ersin: Freenode, like most large IRC networks, has many servers. |
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| jebba900 | ok so the liq* apps are fantastic |
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| ersin | gotcha |
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| JoshTriplett | ersin: The connection between two of them got broken, and everyone on the wrong side saw everyone else disconnect. :) |
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| ersin | hahah |
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| ersin | that's kind of funny when you put it that way |
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| ersin | like mass online schadefreude |
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| luke-jr | FreeNode should setup redundancy -.- |
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| JoshTriplett | ersin: You can see that in the quit messages; they all say "brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net". Means brown.freenode.net split off. |
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| JoshTriplett | luke-jr: *More* redundancy, apparently. ;) |
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| ersin | ah, thank you joshtriplett |
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| luke-jr | JoshTriplett: afaik, FreeNode only uses a single connection between any two servers |
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| ersin | so does anyone know about the vfp unit? |
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| luke-jr | vfp is not a unit |
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| ersin | instruction |
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| ersin | ? |
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| ersin | but the n800 has support for it built in, no? |
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| ersin | yet scratchbox gcc only supports emulated vfp |
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| Scummer | or irc.freenode.net split off.. depending on what side you're on :) |
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| ersin | or "softfp" |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr, if that's been a oopsie on simmons.freenode.net, it's hard to setup redundancy for it's users |
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| derf | ersin: Assume anyting luke-jr tells you is wrong. |
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| derf | vfp is a unit. |
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| ersin | derf: lmao ok |
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| ersin | that's what i thought... |
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| luke-jr | derf: no u |
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| luke-jr | Scummer: irc.freenode.net is not a server |
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| Scummer | what ? |
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| Scummer | *** Current server: irc.freenode.net 6667 |
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| Scummer | i disagree |
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| ersin | dr_cain: pluto is not a planet |
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| luke-jr | ersin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#VFP |
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| luke-jr | Scummer: irc.freenode.net is a round-robin |
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| Scummer | hmm... |
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| derf | ersin: And yes, the N800 is ARM11, which has vfp. |
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| ersin | right |
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| ersin | so then why doesn't scratchbox support the hardware vfp by default? |
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| Scummer | ok.. ok.. a dig does show multiple ip's for chat.freenode.net which is the cname for irc |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | irc.freenode.net is the whole infrastructure |
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| derf | "softfp" does not actually mean software-emulated floating point. |
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| derf | It's just specifying the ABI. |
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| luke-jr | ersin: are you actually asking why an emulator is emulating? |
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| ersin | what does it mean then? i do remember from compiling 770 kernels (which don't have vfp) that there is a kernel module for fp emulation |
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| derf | ersin: 22:30:14 < derf> It's just specifying the ABI. |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | so the statement "for simmons.fn.net the irc.fn.net split off" is absolutely correct |
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| ersin | luke-jr: um...yes, in a sense...why is it emulating when there's no need for it |
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| ersin | derf: sorry i didn't see that |
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| luke-jr | ersin: an x86 CPU is not going to support vfp, so ... there is a need for it |
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| ersin | luke-jr: excuse me...? i'm talking about the n800 |
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| luke-jr | scratchbox *on* a N800? |
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| ersin | no |
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| ersin | that's not how cross compiling works... |
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| ersin | you don't need a pc with vfp support to have a cross compiler that supports vfp |
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| luke-jr | so why do you think this cross-compiler isn't making binaries that use vfp? |
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| ersin | luke-jr: ...are you trolling? |
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| luke-jr | no |
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| ersin | luke-jr: that's the whole reason i came here, to ask if anyone knew why the compiler was doing that |
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| luke-jr | what makes you think the compiler is doing that? |
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| ersin | are you familiar with scratchbox? |
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| ersin | because it only supports -mfloat-abi=softfp |
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| luke-jr | nope, never touched it with a 10 foot pole |
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| luke-jr | that's an ABI |
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| ersin | whereas other arm cross compilers support -mfloat-abi=hard |
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| ersin | yes...yes it is |
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| luke-jr | afaik softfp ABI can use vfp |
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| derf | ersin: -mfloat-abi is _just_ the ABI. |
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| ersin | derf: it seems fishy then that other places on the internet report using -mfloat-abi=hard |
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| ersin | i mean, i guess my question then is if anyone knows what the difference is |
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| ersin | between "softfp" abi and "hard" abi |
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| derf | "Specifying `soft' causes GCC to generate output containing library calls for floating-point operations. `softfp' allows the generation of code using hardware floating-point instructions, but still uses the soft-float calling conventions. `hard' allows generation of floating-point instructions and uses FPU-specific calling conventions." |
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| derf | From http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/ARM-Options.html |
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| SpeedEvil | does the n900 have hardwarefpu? |
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| derf | (or man gcc) |
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| ersin | derf: thank you for that gem |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I guess hard is using direct machine opcodes while soft uses the lib |
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| ersin | so then essentially hard *is* more optimized |
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| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: that's what vfp is... |
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| derf | And note, for cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7, the default flags are |
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| ersin | so why wouldn't diablo scratchbox use hard...? |
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| derf | *cc1: |
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| derf | -march=armv7a -mcpu=cortex-a8 -mfpu=vfp %{.S:-mfpu=neon} -mfloat-abi=softfp -fno-omit-frame-pointer -fno-optimize-sibling-calls %(old_cc1) |
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| luke-jr | ersin: most likely the reason it won't let you do ABI hard is because ScratchBox is specifically for targetting Maemo |
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| luke-jr | and Maemo uses softfp |
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| luke-jr | and the two ABIs are not compatible |
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| ali1234 | actually they are compatible on new eabi according to what i read |
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| ersin | luke-jr: yes, obviously, but i'm saying why isn't the *whole thing* in hard??? |
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| ali1234 | but does diablo use new eabi? i think not |
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| luke-jr | ersin: OS2008 still supports 770 to some degree, perhaps? |
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| ersin | hmm good point |
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| ersin | alright then, i'll settle for softfp for now |
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| luke-jr | the real question I have now is why my Gentoo on N810 is using softfp ;) |
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| ali1234 | SpeedEvil: cortex-a8 fpu infos: http://pandorawiki.org/Floating_Point_Optimization |
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| ersin | but mark my words, one day fremantle will run on the n800 in all hard vfp |
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| ali1234 | the short answer is a8 has vfp but it has neon too, and neon is better |
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| ersin | luke-jr: hah, of all distros to run unoptimized lol |
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| ersin | ali1234: i didn't think that n800 uses a8 cortex? |
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