| hrw | who knows will pr1.2 get released at all |
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| javispedro | will be the same when pr1.2+1 comes, etc. |
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| hrw | who knows? maybe they will bump soname of libs this time? |
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| javispedro | that wouldn't help |
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| hrw | so libhildon1 in 1.2, libhildon2 in 1.3 etc |
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| hrw | anyway it just shows how nokia care about devs |
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| javispedro | the issue here is that if we built packages in the pr1.2 sdk they have a libhildon2 dep, if we build packages in the 1.0 sdk they have a libhildon1 dep |
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| javispedro | whatever they use pr1.2 or pr1.0 features |
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| hrw | implement shlibssymbols |
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| javispedro | s/wherever |
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| DocScrutinizer | hrw: (sonames) let's pray |
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| Jaffa | hrw: Agreed |
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| javispedro | hrw: requires newer debhelper :( |
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| hrw | javispedro: dh7 is in repos |
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| hrw | and yes, I know that shitbox can override some parts but that can be workarounded with magic shitbox env vars |
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| Action: javispedro thinks about upgrading the debian toolchain in a pr and shudders |
| javispedro | btw (ot) does rpm implement something akin to dpkg's .symbol files? |
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| hrw | no idea |
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| hrw | I know one thing - I need to collect all my sd/microsd/etc cards cause I lost track |
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| godrik | Hi guys, I got a question about MeamoMapper and GPS on the N810. I can not get a fix at all unless I start Nokia's Map application which get a fix immediately. Is there a way to "fix" MaemoMapper ? Or an easier way of getting a fix than using Nokia's Map ? |
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| _berto_ | <hrw> implement shlibssymbols |
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| _berto_ | that would be the solution |
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| hrw | _berto_: question is: is it worth time? |
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| _berto_ | http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/ImprovedDpkgShlibdeps |
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| _berto_ | I think it is, there are lots of compatibility problems in debian because of that |
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| _berto_ | you cannot install a package from a more recent distribution in cases where you should be able |
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| javispedro | note that I tried to create a package with .symbols files using the base maemo toolchain, and you can. |
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| Action: noobmonk3y lost in the semi's :( |
| javispedro | the issue is that the amount of verbosity with the current outdated debhelpers is huge |
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| _berto_ | but does it work? |
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| X-Fade | We could do tests with: http://scratchbox.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/scratchbox-devkit-debian-squeeze_1.0.3_i386.deb |
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| javispedro | you can't use dh_shlibdeps and have to bring your own. |
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| javispedro | if you call that working ... :D |
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| X-Fade | This is a newer devkit, but we need to make sure that is not breaking more things than it fixes. |
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| _berto_ | what do you mean by 'bring your own' ? |
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| javispedro | reimplement it or grab the newer debian's version and put it in the packaging |
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| _berto_ | I can prepare a list of the symbols introduced in each libhildon release, if that helps |
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| javispedro | _berto_: even if they're not used, we could start doing that NOW. |
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| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/Scaling_available_frequencies - is that the one to list from? |
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| Action: andrewfblack is running Open Office, and Inkscape on his N900....Well ok I'm running it on my work PC but the files are stored on the N900 lol |
| javispedro | X-Fade: interesting. seems to ship updated dh_shlibdeps (unlike the lenny devkit :P ) |
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| X-Fade | javispedro: Yes it does. |
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| Action: javispedro wonders if that will be the default for harmattan |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Quite possible. The tools will be updated to more recent versions at least. |
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| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, cat it, does it give you four/five values? |
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| noobmonk3y | yeah |
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| MohammadAG | if yes, highest (first) is max, lowest (last) is min |
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| noobmonk3y | just splitting them down now and will add them |
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| noobmonk3y | yup |
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| MohammadAG | of course divide by 1000 to make it MHz instead of Hz |
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| javispedro | anyway, does anyone consider getting hildon .debs rebuilt with appropriate symbol times BEFORE pr1.2 (and at least before pr1.3) possible? I have my own doubts :P |
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| javispedro | s/times/files |
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| X-Fade | javispedro: On the builder we can install an additional package for instance. |
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| X-Fade | javispedro: Containing symbols. |
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| javispedro | heh, ugly but would work :P |
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| X-Fade | Or change the sdk locally. |
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| javispedro | symbol files go iirc to /var/lib/dpkg/info/libfoo-dev.symbols (reason I think an external "libfoo-dev-symbols" package would be ugly) |
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| javispedro | see your local debian install for samples |
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| X-Fade | But would keep the original sdk in place. |
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| X-Fade | Not really feeling a lot for maintaining an sdk :) |
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| godrik | Hi guys, I got a question about MeamoMapper and GPS on the N810. I can not get a fix at all unless I start Nokia's Map application which get a fix immediately. Is there a way to "fix" MaemoMapper ? Or an easier way of getting a fix than using Nokia's Map ? |
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| javispedro | the symbol files also need maintaining... :P hopefully, less. |
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| lcuk | i want to know how you have gps on n810 that gets a fix immediately |
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| lcuk | X-Fade, would any sdk modifications be forward thinking |
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| godrik | lcuk: if I start Nokia's Map while outside, I got a fix under a minute |
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| godrik | reproducibility: 100% |
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| lcuk | so that when we come round to 1.3 for instance we could use same principle |
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| javispedro | or harmattan, with the community maintained hildon |
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| lcuk | or is this a sticking plaster specifically for 1.2 |
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| X-Fade | lcuk: Ideally the sdk people would fix it ;) |
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| lcuk | yes |
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| Action: lcuk nods sagely |
| X-Fade | But with that symbol package we could do it ourselves. |
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| javispedro | yeah. |
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| andrewfblack | http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/setup_new_talk_moderator_structure/ made it to under vote in less then 2 hours |
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| javispedro | liking it so far. |
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| X-Fade | We now install the optify package after rootstrap extraction too. |
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| lcuk | andrewfblack, your blog post fails when i click from planet |
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| X-Fade | So in that step we can add the symbols. |
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| javispedro | of course the fact that we align more with debian again is a nice plus :) |
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| andrewfblack | refresh screen should work then |
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| X-Fade | The only tricky part is the devkit. |
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| lcuk | X-Fade, optify should theoretically be a noop on scratchbox |
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| X-Fade | lcuk: No, package optify thingie. |
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| lcuk | maemo-optify-runonce |
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| lcuk | i know |
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| X-Fade | no |
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| lcuk | ahh different one |
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| andrewfblack | wow I've hit 7 thumb downs now on each my blog posts now |
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| lcuk | andrewfblack, do they all fail to show when you click them |
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| lcuk | like it does for me |
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| javispedro | hm... mailing list bouncing my message :S |
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| X-Fade | lcuk: maemo-optify in extras-devel. |
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| lcuk | :O |
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| X-Fade | javispedro: and it should ;) |
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| andrewfblack | lcuk: I think its my new theme they used not to but this week they started failing some |
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| javispedro | aw, sorry, wrong From: address :( |
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| lcuk | andrewfblack, yeah, your theme this week has been quite gloomy :p |
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| andrewfblack | lcuk: been a gloomy week for me |
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| lcuk | :( |
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| lcuk | is that why the thumbs down |
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| andrewfblack | lcuk: me being gloomy or bug in me theme? |
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| andrewfblack | I think because I've been gloomy |
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| lcuk | a bit of both i think |
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| lcuk | you need to fix external links into your site though if you want your message |
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| Action: noobmonk3y prods lcuk |
| javispedro | sigh. The only reason tmoers want more mods is to ban posters that lie to them about release date of pr1.2 :P |
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| DocScrutinizer | muhaha |
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| w00t_ | MohammadAG: ping |
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| Action: andrewfblack needs to write his own wordpress theme |
| nidO | javispedro: sounds good to me \o/ |
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| javispedro | nid0: bah. if the ridiculous pr1.2 thread were to gain a few posts more I would've posted that myself |
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| javispedro | i'm sure the original grandposter of the "pr1.2 released" thread is now laughing from the comfort of his couch |
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| andrewfblack | lcuk: there a little less gloomy looking now |
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| andrewfblack | wow ranked up 2 more thumb downs |
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| E0x | any way tool for get battery status in number , i was trying to get /proc/apci/battery/BAT0/info |
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| E0x | but not luck |
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| asa | hello |
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| asa | any GSOC mentor here? |
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| rm_you | is maemo/meego doing GSOC? |
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| Stskeeps | yes |
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| rm_you | cool |
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| rm_you | BTW, sup Stskeeps |
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| rm_you | :) |
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| Stskeeps | not much |
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| rm_you | hows work? |
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| Stskeeps | good |
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| rm_you | lol |
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| rm_you | last time you said "frustrating" so i guess things are looking up? :) |
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| Stskeeps | yeah - i am, working for maemo.org is cool :) |
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| basil | hi, i upgraded my scratchbox to 1.2, now my progs don't work for the n900, how can i downgrade my scratchbox? |
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| MohammadAG | basil, afaik you can't |
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| MohammadAG | unless you install the old packages manually |
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| basil | apt-get install libqt-maemo5? |
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| slonopotamus | mwahaha :D http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/hell.png |
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| Shapeshifter | basil: :o |
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| Shapeshifter | basil: PM |
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| basil | PM? Package Manager? |
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| Shapeshifter | basil: private message ;) |
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| Shapeshifter | I queried you. |
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| basil | i'm new to irc, what means to query? |
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| basil | embarrasing, i know |
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| Shapeshifter | basil: I think you can't downgrade the SDK, you'de need to remove it and reinstall the old one. Though it might be better to find out what the actualy problem is with your progs because PR 1.2 will be out some time in the future. |
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| Scelt | PR 1.2 out?!? |
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| C-S-B-N900 | when is pr1.2? |
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| C-S-B-N900 | should be soon |
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| javispedro | PR1.2 is out, quickly go post that on TMO! |
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| _berto_ | we're waiting for the final release of duke nukem forever, it'll be one of the highlights in PR1.2 |
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| t-tan | hurray!! let's start a new thread on TMO! :-D |
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| javispedro | PR1.2 is so last week. Can we find another story already? |
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| MohammadAG | MeeGo UI on the N900 |
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| Stskeeps | you mean a xterm? |
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| Scelt | PR1.2 OUTOUTUTTVITTU? |
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| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, no a UI! (was just answering javispedro's request :P) |
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| javispedro | MohammadAG: then call it propertly! "Handset UX" |
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| javispedro | ;P |
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| Action: slonopotamus yawns |
| slonopotamus | why care? |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, off to TMO then |
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| MohammadAG | :P |
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| w00t_ | anyone know whether krk969 (author of showtime for maemo) comes on IRC? |
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| javispedro | ~seen krk969 |
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| t-tan | I want online speech recognition and translation in PR2.0 |
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| infobot | javispedro: i haven't seen 'krk969' |
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| w00t_ | javispedro: he might use another nick, that's just his TMO user |
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| Action: w00t_ doesn't know |
| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49434 |
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| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42338 |
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| MohammadAG | :/ |
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| javispedro | bonus points since both of the threads where in active topics a few minutes ago |
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| w00t_ | MohammadAG: did you have any luck btw? |
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| w00t_ | if not I'll give it a crack in a bit |
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| MohammadAG | w00t_, yeah, I postponed test, so I guess that's good luck |
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| Action: MohammadAG fires up scratchbox |
| w00t_ | haha |
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| w00t_ | when is it now? |
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| MohammadAG | sat :P |
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| Action: MohammadAG goes to laptop |
| Action: VDVsx wonders why the channel is so quite today 0.o something happened for sure :D |
| Stskeeps | dunno :P |
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| hrw | users got tired of waiting for pr1.2 and mass sold their n900s |
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| VDVsx | ah, the meego forum, is everybody posting there ? :D |
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| Shapeshifter | oh dear, they made a forum |
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| VDVsx | tmo 2.0 :D |
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| DocScrutinizer | hrw: any pointers to good cheap sells? |
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| t-tan | lots of overclocked devices melted. the remaining healthy ones are sold on ebay for very high prices |
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| Shapeshifter | VDVsx: btw, do you know how many gsoc applications maemo got up til now? |
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| mikhas | I just read "users got hired for waiting for pr1.2 and mass soldered their n900s" - perhaps the pizza was too spicey, after all ... |
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| DocScrutinizer | rotfl |
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| DocScrutinizer | tell me where from you got these spices |
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| VDVsx | Shapeshifter, not sure, didn't checked in the last two days |
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| DocScrutinizer | err, 'spices' |
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| Shapeshifter | VDVsx: when you last checked, how many were there? |
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| mikhas | thoses 'spices' supposedly came from the UAE ... |
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| DocScrutinizer | gnhnhnhnhn |
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| mikhas | hmph, too late for a "1st post!" already |
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| Action: DocScrutinizer got hungry for a good pizza now |
| petteri | http://forum.meego.com |
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| venkat | hi all, im planning to submit a gsoc app for creating a remote app for maemo, which is similar to "http://www.apple.com/itunes/remote/" |
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| venkat | using dacp , to control itunes |
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