| wizard_ | My guess is _many_. |
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| miguel000 | I do not run the script from inside the console |
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| miguel000 | but it will be run for instance by udev |
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| theadmin | miguel000: hm... well, you can ask it to open xterm I guess but... how to wait input? |
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| xeon-enouf | flo`: are any others (google) also having an issue with that make/model? which pm software do you use? |
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| miguel000 | yeah, I know how to get user input, just wonder how to get a console pop up |
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| wizard_ | I read that removing HAL from Ubuntu is safe now. Anyone have a link to more info on that? I cant seem to find anything confirming or rejecting the claim. I read it on the Arch forums. |
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| Psi-Jack | wizard_: If by maybe you mean ~10, possibly. |
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| theadmin | wizard_: Many apps depend on HAL, without it you won't be able to run those |
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| Psi-Jack | wizard_: err, if by _many_, etc. |
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| flo` | xeon-enouf, others are having it. they weren't able to solve it. others with the same laptop never had them. |
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| xeon-enouf | flo`: have you tried peerhaps tuxmobil.org and linux-laptops.net? flo` when booted regularly, what's cat /proc/cmdline ? .. erm.. maybe you should upgrade to squeeze -- Lenny is old now |
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| wizard_ | theadmin: peopel are saying that udev takes care of that now since Ubuntu is trying to purge HAL. |
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| Psi-Jack | wizard_: udev and hal do two entirely different things. |
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| go|dfish | they're probably talking about xorg-server 1.8 |
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| xeon-enouf | flo`: it might be in some of the acpi* pkgs, .. your newer kernels aren't going to do much if the PM software is old/flakey ... one sec though |
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| ananke | wizard_: again, you're making a big leap in assumptions. you think that when 'company A' uses something, it must translate to 'everybody using something'. That's simply not the case. being present in a data center does not equal being present on workstation. |
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| wizard_ | Ubuntu went from HAL to udev for device management in 9.10 |
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| flo` | xeon-enouf, root=/dev/mapper/VolGroup00-lennyroot ro quiet |
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| xeon-enouf | flo`: maybe you can get something from this; http://www.castalie.org/Linux/C610-ACPI.html (even though it's a dell, not ibm/lenovo) at the bottomish concerning standby/suspend -- are you using laptop-mode and acpid? |
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| wizard_ | Psi-Jack: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1421231 post #3 |
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| flo` | xeon-enouf, yes and yes |
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| xeon-enouf | hrm .. ok flo` .. maybe remove quiet to see boot messages -- i don't think lenny or any debian adds 'quiet' |
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| xeon-enouf | but maybe newer ones do - ubuntu does, not debian (or didn't in the past) |
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| flo` | xeon-enouf, it does ;) |
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| Psi-Jack | wizard_: Again. udev and hal do TWO entirely different things. |
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| rethus | my gimp is english, what can i do to get it german? |
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| JigSaw-2 | hwinfo --usb | grep "Serial ID" | grep [0-9][A-Z] and hwinfo --usb | grep "Serial ID" | grep [A-Z][0-9] is same or different ? |
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| wizard_ | Psi-Jack: Ubuntu moved things from HAL to udev. I'm just parroting what I read on launchpad and the Ubuntu forums, and the Arch forums. I could be wrong. |
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| Psi-Jack | rethus: Hack it's legs off? ;) |
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| JigSaw-2 | ( the grep difference ) |
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| xeon-enouf | flo`: i wonder if your issue has to do with the possible way the dm-* modules are loading ..ugh |
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| go|dfish | JigSaw-2: different... |
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| rethus | Psi-Jack: har har har |
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| go|dfish | JigSaw-2: and the [..] stuff should be quoted |
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| wizard_ | Free X.org Server 1.8.0 with udev to Replace HAL |
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| Psi-Jack | wizard_: You _could_ be wrong about a great many things. Why don't you actually look up the differences of udev and hal now? ;) |
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| go|dfish | grep '...' |
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| wizard_ | http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Free-X.org-Server-1.8.0-with-udev-to-Replace-HAL |
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| JigSaw-2 | go|dfish, will both of them gives the diff output ? |
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| wizard_ | Not wrong,. |
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| go|dfish | JigSaw-2: they could |
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| JigSaw-2 | ok |
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| xeon-enouf | flo`: you feel you really have a need to use lvm on a laptop? with one HDD? :-p |
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| Psi-Jack | xeon-enouf: LVM is awesome. |
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| flo` | xeon-enouf, yes, as i'm often juggling with distros. repartitioning sucks ;) |
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| rethus | how can i switch gimp to german language ? |
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| flo` | xeon-enouf, some other guys told me to use a up-to-date live cd. that will not have dm-*, right? |
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| xeon-enouf | Psi-Jack: so is kvm .. just doesn't make much sense on 192MB ram :-P |
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| wizard_ | rethus: http://docs.gimp.org/en/gimp-fire-up.html#gimp-concepts-running-language |
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| Psi-Jack | xeon-enouf: But your statement about using lvm on a laptop with only one hard drive, means you know little to nothing about lvm's full qualities. |
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| wizard_ | rethus: In LINUX: in console mode, type LANGUAGE=en gimp or LANG=en gimp replacing en by fr, de, ... according to the language you want. Background: Using LANGUAGE=en sets an environment variable for the executed program gimp. |
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| rethus | i have exactly try this. didn't work |
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| xeon-enouf | flo`: sure, more recent LiveCDs (knoppix, sysresccd.org, fedora) will have most lvm/mdadm/etc modules already |
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| xeon-enouf | Psi-Jack: no, it means you know nothing about partitioning, nor kvm |
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| theadmin | LANG=ru vlc does not work ere :/ |
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| wizard_ | rethus: export LANGUAGE=no_NO:$LANGUAGE |
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| wizard_ | without no, use de |
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| Psi-Jack | xeon-enouf: Okay. Grab your katana. We're gonna fight this out. |
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| rethus | if i type env, i see my LANG |
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| rethus | LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 |
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| wizard_ | no is norwegian |
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| wizard_ | http://ketil.froyn.name/gimp-language.html |
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| wizard_ | http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5975499&postcount=3 |
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| wizard_ | rethus: if you use Ubuntu, the second link should work. |
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| rethus | didnt work |
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| rethus | yes, use kubuntu 10.04 |
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| rethus | but didn't work |
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| rethus | may cause of missing language-pack? |
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| wizard_ | rethus: do you have Deutsch language installed? |
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| wizard_ | Do you use German already? |
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| wizard_ | on yoru PC? |
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| rethus | i didn't found anything like that for gimp |
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| rethus | jes, whole system is german |
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| GNU\colossus | I'm looking for a free, technically cound web-CMS with a free template available that fits a store selling antiques - suggestions, anyone? :) |
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| wizard_ | GNU\colossus: Joomla? Druple? Wordpress? |
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| wizard_ | All are easy |
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| theadmin | GNU\colossus: CMSMS too |
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| ch077179 | I am looking for a good tv software under linux, I have a pinnacle PC TV pro adapter (I think it's a 350pro) |
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| wizard_ | ch077179: http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBcQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mythbuntu.org%2F&ei=dysSTIaHIoaKlweJwMHVBw&usg=AFQjCNEUFhJt0qQnPaD_LAIKS8mbELJssw&sig2=6oaav54zhSJTRdRRHBb6VQ |
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| wizard_ | oops, I mean mythbuntu.org |
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| ch077179 | thx, do you think it works under fedora? |
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| wizard_ | Mythbuntu is UBUNTU. |
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| xeon-enouf | there's very rarely a _good_ reason in the world to use lvm on 1 HDD (and flo` s case is one, perhaps), period -- just like there's not many good reasons to slice your / into many partitions in 95% of the cases. This is why i asked flo` - and still, that's not a good reason IMHO, but to each their own (a good reason would be to use it to learn how it works, to be used in other deployments, where it would help a ton setting quotas, and resizin |
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| ch077179 | I remember trying to get mythtv running under opensuse.. |
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| Psi-Jack | LOL |
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| Psi-Jack | xeon-enouf: You've just proven how little you know about Linux, LVM, and partitioning practices. |
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| xeon-enouf | ROFLMAO |
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| ch077179 | hm, I am actually looking for something to watch tv on my normal laptop, without changing the current os |
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| GNU\colossus | xeon-enouf: I disagree. LVM snapshots alone are woth having everything except /boot under LVM's stern guard. |
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| GNU\colossus | worth* |
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| xeon-enouf | snapshots? what's wrong with tar.gz / ? |
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| Dominian | I use LVM on everything |
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| selckin | lvm does cow? |
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| Dominian | xeon-enouf: snapshots are literally 'pictures' of the live running file system frozen in time.. and a lot faster than tar'ing an entire drive |
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| GNU\colossus | xeon-enouf: that's really just asking for inconsistent data |
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| xeon-enouf | Dominian: no it isn't faster |
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| xeon-enouf | GNU\colossus: nno it isn't |
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| Dominian | xeon-enouf: funny, it is for me. |
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| xeon-enouf | you remount ro |
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| Psi-Jack | xeon-enouf: Oh, yes it is, and it's also incremental. |
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| GNU\colossus | xeon-enouf: he probably meant taking the snapshot, and that is faster. |
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| GNU\colossus | xeon-enouf: yeah, and how many porcesses will cope OK with the suddenly unwritable filesytem? |
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| xeon-enouf | Psi-Jack: everytime i tar/gz / it's incremental |
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| xeon-enouf | what? |
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| Action: Psi-Jack laughs. |
| GNU\colossus | most programs aren't that fault-tolerant |
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| xeon-enouf | unwriteable? |
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| Psi-Jack | xeon-enouf: Got your katana ready yet? |
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| Action: xeon-enouf falls off chair |
| Dominian | er.. |
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| Dominian | incremental tar? |
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| xeon-enouf | o m f g |
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| Dominian | xeon-enouf: Instead of coming back with the unintelligble "o m f g" take the time to explain your stance. |
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| xeon-enouf | you people make things so complicated, no wonder the world is falling apart |
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| Dominian | xeon-enouf: Don't assume people know what you mean. |
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| xeon-enouf | but you do.. |
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| Dominian | xeon-enouf: and talking down to other users of the channel won't be allowed either so please keep that in mind. |
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| xeon-enouf | you already told me how i was wrong; ergo, you know |
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| Dominian | xeon-enouf: I didn't say you were wrong |
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| xeon-enouf | talking down? to whom? |
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| Dominian | I gave a different opinion. |
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| xeon-enouf | nobody's talking to you |
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| Dominian | xeon-enouf: its a public channel. |
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| Dominian | I can comment on what I like. |
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| xeon-enouf | ... |
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| Dominian | ... |
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| theadmin | ... |
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| GNU\colossus | use & |
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| GNU\colossus | it saves a byte |
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| GNU\colossus | oh |
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| GNU\colossus | it actually doesn't in UTF-8 |
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| GNU\colossus | still, use it, because I command you to |
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| phretor | I am having troubles freeing the (possibly locked) resources allocated by a dead process. Where should I start from? |
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| GNU\colossus | phretor: what kind of resources? |
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| rahsputin | hi. i am trying to create my own module for: 057c:62ff AVM GmbH WLAN USB v1.1 using the linux-package from the AVM website. my kernel version is: 2.6.31-22-generic and i have linux-header-'uname -r' and so forth installed.... since i havent found "ANY" howto on how to build it myself, you are my last resort |
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| phretor | GNU\colossus I am not sure which one exactly, but I am sure that it's a resource allocation problem, because the same executable uses to take 1 second to load, and it got worst over time. Now it takes more than one minute. |
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| phretor | GNU\colossus: looking at htop, it 70% of cache is still allocated although the machine is literally doing nothing. |
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| xeon-enouf | phretor: *might* want to consider echo 2 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches (man proc) |
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| xeon-enouf | (one thing i'm not clear about yet, is whether an -n makes a (usable, or otherwise intrinsic) difference there or not) |
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| xeon-enouf | (for all such echoing values into /proc/*) |
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| phretor | how could I check whether a user has locks on certain files/resources? |
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| xeon-enouf | phretor: when you say dead, do you mean in D state? owned via init? or just a zombie? |
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| phretor | xeon-enouf: it's not even in the process table |
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| xeon-enouf | erm.. |
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| phretor | xeon-enouf: I mean, I don't see it if I ps aux it |
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| xeon-enouf | phretor: i'd be conerned about being rooted then -- BUT -- perhaps i just misunderstand |
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| xeon-enouf | or you might want to try and explain it better - more detail |
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| Psi-Jack | Ummm |
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| phretor | xeon-enouf: I suspect it's a resource problem for one specific reason. I am not an expert programmer, but I needed to modify the Firefox behavior in the following way. |
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| Psi-Jack | Locked files/resources are not processes. |
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| Psi-Jack | They would NOT show up in ps. |
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| phretor | xeon-enouf: I need to launch Firefox by command line, wait for the page fully rendered, and then kill Firefox. To this end, I inserted an exit(0) in the latest function that gets called, which indicates that the page is fully loaded. |
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| xeon-enouf | how do you kill it? |
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| phretor | xeon-enouf: I am afraid that a exit(0)-ing without first de-allocating all the resources might cause problems. |
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| phretor | xeon-enouf: the exit(0) kills it. I mean, I modified the source code. |
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| JigSaw-2 | Is it possible to start a program, which can not be get killed by any command ? |
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| Psi-Jack | JigSaw-2: No |
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| Psi-Jack | That would literally be completely stupid. |
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| phretor | xeon-enouf: I know that I might have confused you. I apologize :) |
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| koala_man | sure you can. just plug in a usb disk, let something use it, then rip it out and the process will probably get stuck in state D |
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| Dominian | That's almost like saying "Hey, can I have brakes on my car that don't work" |
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| JigSaw-2 | or other way around, Can we start the program which will get executed on it's own, as soon as it get killed ? |
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| koala_man | JigSaw-2: no, but you can have a second program restart it as soon as it's killed |
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| Psi-Jack | JigSaw-2: Can you make a watchdog for a process, sure. |
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| Psi-Jack | Kinda what init does, and djb's... oh what was that piece of crap djb made? |
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| JigSaw-2 | Psi-Jack, I did not get it. |
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| koala_man | djb made a lot of awesome stuff |
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| Action: JigSaw-2 googling for djb ... |
| Psi-Jack | koala_man: That daemon watchdog system he did. |
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| koala_man | JigSaw-2: there are tools that will allow you to hide processes and make them unkillable. they're known as root kits |
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| blip- | hi all, i'm making a set of files/dirs to exclude from my backups of /home. Do you think it's a good idea to exclude all dot directories ? I can see .mozilla and .thunderbird taking ages to backup with thousands of little files |
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| rahsputin | here is some data i have collected to my topic on the AVM WLAN USB: fwlanusb.ko module http://pastebin.com/71i606CE |
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| Psi-Jack | Ahh |
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| Psi-Jack | daemontools |
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| theadmin | blip-: All those dotfolders and files are configs |
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| koala_man | blip-: that's where most app config is, so it would be weird to exclude them |
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| theadmin | blip-: You probably need em |
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| blip- | ye i know what they're for. i'm trying to decide whether it's worth backing them |
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| JigSaw-2 | koala_man, never mind, But does it mean that, the process will not be listed in ps ax and so no one is able to kill it. RIght ? |
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| koala_man | JigSaw-2: pretty much |
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| JigSaw-2 | koala_man, ok. I am downloading the "root-kit". Thnx a lot. |
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| koala_man | np |
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| koala_man | JigSaw-2: keep in mind that most of them also open back doors, even if they claim not to |
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| JigSaw-2 | koala_man, like what ? |
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| JigSaw-2 | But if I do this for local-machine then it is safe...I guess. |
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| koala_man | maybe if you wish hard enough |
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| JigSaw-2 | koala_man, anyway, I think, It;s worth to give a chance. |
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| blip- | wow I nearly issues rm -rf /etc/ while wanting to delete a backup copy of etc which I placed in ~/etc :D |
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| blip- | *issued |
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| blip- | wonder what would happen. i wont' try |
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| JigSaw-2 | blip-, try it and then yo uwill come to know |
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| go|dfish | oh dear |
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| Dominian | !2 |
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| Dominian | doh |
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| koala_man | JigSaw-2: ok. just remember that information in ##linux doesn't come with a guarantee, and that owning rootkits is illegal in some countries and installing it on other people's equipment is illegal in most |
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| JigSaw-2 | ohhh |
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| blip- | JigSaw-2, computer went bang :( |
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| JigSaw-2 | koala_man, mine requirement is that, I want to run few command which is get enlisted in "ps ax". I want to either hide that, or make sure that even root can also not able to kill it. |
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| JigSaw-2 | but do not know. how to do that ? |
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