| reisio | jamesconway: Firefox, but I have them all installed for work |
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| reisio | jamesconway: if you want a light browser, you could try Midori |
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| reisio | jamesconway: which is webkit-based (like Chrome/ium & Safari), and actually associated with Xfce nown |
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| JoEMoMMa | anyone here successfully deployed a DKIM mail server system? |
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| reisio | jamesconway: not that Chromium isn't a not-too-horrible choice |
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| jamesconway | reisio: How light is your XFCE? (I do not know how you can express this) |
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| jamesconway | I know of Midori |
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| Planck_ | Dammit, I just realized one possible reason why Firefox runs like a dog on my home computer and not this laptop: that's nVidia, this is ATI. |
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| reisio | jamesconway: let me see if I can get you some useful output |
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| jamesconway | Planck_: nVidia runs dog-like? I thought ATI had problems. |
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| Planck_ | I thought it would be the other way around too. |
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| Planck_ | But for some pages, this wimpy laptop renders pages at least 5x faster. |
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| jamesconway | If I use dwm, what do I use for a file manager/browser? |
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| reisio | jamesconway: anything you want |
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| reisio | jamesconway: same goes for "if I use ANYTHING" |
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| jamesconway | reisio: What do you use? |
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| reisio | but you will keep a more efficient system if you don't double up on GTK+ apps and KDE (Qt) apps and X apps |
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| reisio | I use Xfce mostly, but if I weren't lazy I think I'd use dwm or another tiling window manager |
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| res | the only gtk app i use is firefox and im looking to get rid of this shit too |
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| reisio | and mainly GTK+ apps |
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| res | i dont use qt at all |
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| reisio | res: what's that light browser... |
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| reisio | has a cute name |
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| res | reisio: uzbl and vimprobable |
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| reisio | uzbl yeah |
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| res | reisio: but uzbl takes lotsa time, altho i want to use it instead of vimperator |
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| jamesconway | Do I not need a file browser? Am I supposed to just use the command line? |
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| reisio | res: yeah, investments :p |
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| res | jamesconway: cli is just faster man |
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| reisio | it really is |
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| jamesconway | Can somebody recommend which filesystem I should use? If I am going to be using the mainline kernel, some of the new ones will be available. I do not have any important data but I will not be helpful on a developers outlook debugging filesystems in development. |
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| reisio | not that file managers aren't occasionally useful |
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| jamesconway | cli it is. |
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| res | jamesconway: and much more extandable then clicking around |
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| DixitDominus | vimprobable? |
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| res | DixitDominus: its like uzbl/vimperator |
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| heftig | uzbl depends on gtk |
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| reisio | jamesconway: so web browsing.. that's it? Really? |
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| DixitDominus | vimperator owns, now whenever I am using a regurar browser I start typing vim commands then I realized don't have vimperator :D |
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| res | they both also depend on gtk but muuuch faster than ff |
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| jamesconway | reisio: Yes. The occasional torrent and movie watching too. I might avoid Flash. |
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| jamesconway | What do you recommend for a movie player? MPlayer, VLC? |
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| reisio | jamesconway: mplayer |
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| reisio | jamesconway: maybe you should try one of these live images: http://chromeos.hexxeh.net/ |
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| res | jamesconway: should use ext4 |
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| jamesconway | I usually sit around on my computer, trying to program things. I recently realized I keep writing the same programs over and over. I have decided to limit my computer use. I grew tired of just sitting here. I find myself drawing with the drag and drop rubber band selector on my desktop. |
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| reisio | no, not ext4 :p |
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| res | jamesconway: reiser for var |
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| reisio | jamesconway: hahahah |
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| jamesconway | res: Do I really need a separate filesystem for var? I typically make everything one big ext3 partition with no swap. |
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| reisio | you can get real speed increases by making separate partitions with reiser |
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| reisio | the benefit being not putting your important personal data on reiser :p |
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| res | jamesconway: reiser is much faster than ext for small files |
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| reisio | jamesconway: but I think you should burn a copy of http://chromeos.hexxeh.net/ and try it now :p (or use a usb stick) |
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| Foriskak | jamesconway: it's helpful if you have stuff in var that can consume all your free space and make logging in difficult/other stuff to fail |
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| jamesconway | reisio: I am torrenting it right now. I have a USB stick. |
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| Foriskak | jamesconway: like logs/a DB/mail/etc. |
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| reisio | I think it's probably as close to what you're after as you're going to get prepackaged |
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| jamesconway | Foriskak: I am not interested in logging at all. Nor mail. |
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| reisio | and eerily close to what you're after regardless |
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| jamesconway | reisio: Is it fast? |
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| Foriskak | jamesconway: in ext3 there is a reserved % that only root can access that keeps you from getting locked out when / is full, however |
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| reisio | jamesconway: it should be quite fast, yes |
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| jamesconway | Foriskak: mkfs.ext3 -m 0 |
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| reisio | jamesconway: the whole idea of Chromium OS is to boot up Chromium the browser immediately |
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| reisio | which is, if I'm not mistaken, what you're most after |
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| Foriskak | jamesconway: another reason to make a separate /var is to put a FS more suited for what happens there than the / FS |
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| DixitDominus | still looking |
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| jamesconway | Foriskak: And reiserfs is more suited for /var? |
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| Foriskak | jamesconway: depends...are you running a mail server? hell yes. DB? maybe not |
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| reisio | reiser is more suited for filesystems with unimportant data that you want to be quick |
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| jamesconway | Should I have a separate /boot partition? After the initial installation, I will never want to modify anything on it again. |
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| Cymage | its bad enough that google knows everything i search for. i certainly dont want them tracking everything else i do on my box |
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| jamesconway | Foriskak: I do not plan on running a database nor a mail server. I plan on running a web browsing desktop. |
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| Foriskak | jamesconway: I think boot has to be outside the LVM (grub can't access I think), so yes? |
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| Foriskak | Or am I outdated? |
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| reisio | Cymage: I sort of doubt the Chromium code has any tracking software included |
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| reisio | Cymage: the Chrome code for sure will :p |
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| Foriskak | jamesconway: then no...no point |
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| jamesconway | reisio: Can I test the nouveau drivers on ChromeOS Zero or is there no need? |
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| reisio | jamesconway: you can if you want |
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| reisio | I haven't heard any performance comparisons between the two (binary nvidia vs nouveau) |
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| heftig | jamesconway: separate /boot is nice if / becomesu |
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| Foriskak | I like to put /home in a separate partition so my downloading doesn't fill up the disk and make logs fail or temporary placement of backups to /tmp or whatever to fail |
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| reisio | I don't think I'd bother unless the binary drivers didn't work |
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| reisio | you bought a proprietary hardware device, after all |
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| res | separate boot is needed for grub <2 and encrypted/lvm / |
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| heftig | or any other fancy stuff grub can't boot from |
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| Foriskak | yeah |
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| jamesconway | reisio: What drivers are used by default on Chrome OS Zero? |
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| jamesconway | VESA? |
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| reisio | jamesconway: not sure, try it and see |
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| Frederick | folks does anyone here has expertise with dokuwiki? Dokuwiki channel is dead and I lost an admin password I need in a hurry. |
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| jamesconway | Would it be wise to install and run my web browser into a ramdisk? I realize this would require it be copied every time. |
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| reisio | Frederick: can probably reset via phpmyadmin |
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| Frederick | reisio: I have acess to the files the wiki is on a shell but I followed the procedure and it does not seems to work |
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| reisio | Frederick: http://www.dokuwiki.org/faq:forgotten_password |
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| reisio | that procedure? |
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| reisio | meh... guys isn't there a new video editor on the scene? |
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| reisio | feel like I'm forgetting one |
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| Frederick | reisio the damm wiki doesnt mail me the passwords |
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| reisio | Frederick: you can probably backup the data you added/changed and do a reinstall, then restore |
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| jamesconway | reisio: Developed by VLC? |
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| Foriskak | I kind of want to run my DB in a ramdisk |
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| reisio | jamesconway: what? |
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| jamesconway | reisio: VLC is developing a new video editor. |
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| reisio | oh? |
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| reisio | I don't think so, but |
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| Action: reisio shrugs |
| Foriskak | Like put /var/lib/mysql on there - this is for read only DB's of course |
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| jamesconway | http://lifehacker.com/5432946/vlc-team-working-on-a-cross+platform-video-editor |
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| jamesconway | http://vlmc.org/ |
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| reisio | yeah doesn't look right, but that's interesting |
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| RingtailedFox | alright! |
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| jamesconway | reisio: I am going to boot into Chrome OS Zero. |
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| Action: RingtailedFox wishes LiVES was also available for windows :P |
| votz | do downloaded files in linux have any metadata associated with them about where they were downloaded from? |
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| votz | i.e. wget *url* -O - | tee foo.html | *other stuff * |
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| reisio | pitivi, that was it |
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| votz | can I get the original *url* back from the saved foo.html file? |
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| reisio | jamesconway: I think you'll like it |
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| sepult | votz: if it's html yes |
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| sepult | votz: it's in the header |
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| reisio | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PiTiVi |
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| sepult | votz: if it's another file type, it maybe that you have to grab the bitmaps of the underlying fs |
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| votz | sepult: if its any file, ignoring html |
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| votz | might be mp3, might be an image, might be whatever |
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| sepult | i think that would be app or even fs specific |
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| votz | grab the bitmaps of the filesystem? could you elucidate |
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| sepult | so the app you download with, or the fs which allocates for the downloaded files could or could not put some extra |
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| sepult | data in there |
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| sepult | don't bet on it |
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| votz | ya |
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| votz | the files were saved with wget piped to tee |
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| sepult | heh |
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| jamesconway | reisio: That sucked. I do not know how to configure my network. It is not DHCP. |
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| jamesconway | And it was terribly slow. As if something were wrong. |
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| reisio | ah, maybe something were wrong, then :p |
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| reisio | but you could have problems like that with anything |
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| reisio | you need to know how to configure your network :p |
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| jamesconway | reisio: I do. I couldn't open a terminal. |
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| reisio | I'm sure there's a way :p |
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| reisio | jamesconway: you got past the login screen, though, right? |
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| jamesconway | reisio: Yes. I just read I was supposed to press Control+Alt+T. |
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| reisio | ah |
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| reisio | oh-ho... http://chromeos.hexxeh.net/wiki/doku.php?id=faq#it_runs_really_slowly_isn_t_this_supposed_to_be_super_fast |
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| reisio | I guess Google is only going to bother making it fast for the hardware they plan to ship it with |
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| reisio | ohwell |
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| jamesconway | reisio: Any other recommendations? |
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| reisio | jamesconway: you can get what you want from any distro |
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| reisio | just a matter of configuration |
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| mordy | anyone here use quagga? |
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| reisio | jamesconway: if you want to cut back on bloat without _manually_ compiling things a la LFS, you could try Gentoo |
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| jamesconway | What is needed for a base install? kernel, bootlaoder, glibc,shell, what else? |
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| reisio | mordy: anyone questions ftl :p |
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| mordy | reisio: well it's not like it's such a popular package |
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| reisio | jamesconway: think you might be a little more gung ho about this than you really want to be :) |
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| reisio | jamesconway: package managers cover dependencies |
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| reisio | if your goal is to waste less time on your computer, that is :p |
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| reisio | if you want to throw away hundreds of hours tinkering... heh |
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| jamesconway | reisio: package managers also have dependencies. http://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/i686/pacman/ |
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| jamesconway | haha I would rather not throw away hundreds of hours. |
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| reisio | indeed they do |
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| CIDR | Is there anyway to get rpcbind and nfs to bind to an interface or ip? |
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| reisio | but without a package manager you're going to spend a lot of time on things |
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| reisio | there's a real trade off |
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| jamesconway | Will I notice any difference in speed by switching to a 64 bit operating system? (Ignore the ability to address more RAM. I only have 2GB) |
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| frumple | probably not |
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| mordy | ok.. so no 'anyone' questions.. what does this mean? |
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| mordy | 2010/02/03 04:34:12 RIP: rip_read: cannot find interface for packet from 10.0.0.246 port 520 |
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| heftig | probably not, unless you do cpu-intensive tasks like rendering |
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| mosno | jamesconway, it depends on the application |
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| reisio | jamesconway: _you_ won't _notice_ it, but there will be one |
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| frumple | mordy: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=rip_read |
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| mordy | frumple: as if i didn't google that already |
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| reisio | actually I guess if you switch from 32-bit Windows to 64-bit Linux you will notice a difference, but it will be more because of the OS and less because of the arch the software was built for |
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| frumple | first article seems to have a description of the problem |
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| frumple | and a fix |
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| objorn | how do you concatenate pdf files? |
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| [R] | objorn: gs can do it |
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| objorn | thank you [R] |
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| objorn | any other programs? |
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| frumple | so your question of "what does this mean", if you had actually read the first result, should have read something like "I'm having a problem with OpenVPN" |
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| [R] | what possible reason could you need to use something else? |
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| frumple | or whatever you're actually doing :p |
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| jtaby | Hey, does swapcontext return when the function it's calling is finished executing? |
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| mordy | frumple: well i'd know what it meant if the post on the forum was actually relevant |
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| mordy | however of course those boxes havd IP connectivity |
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| frumple | well most of these articles refer to the RIP routing protocol |
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| mordy | frumple: wel of course it's rip |
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| mordy | i'm trying to set it up |
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| frumple | what are you doing with rip :p |
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| mordy | just playing around, have a few networks |
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| objorn | [R]: gs worked just fine, thanks again |
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| mordy | i'm using quagga here on this linux box, and the other box is bsd running routed |
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| mordy | honestly i'm probably not setting up something correctly, but still |
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| disappearedng | hey how do I run harddisk consistency |
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| reisio | do what? |
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| disappearedng | I mean i think I have a bad node |
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| Random832 | bad node? |
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