| jmyers10 | Tesssa: what do you mean partition manager? |
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| Tesssa | #to partition the hard drive |
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| jmyers10 | Tesssa: yes, it gives you the opportunity to partition the drives, and dual boot and all that jazz. |
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| fenris02 | the installer has a way to partition the drive already. |
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| Tesssa | ah thank you want to try fedors |
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| Tesssa | afedora |
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| jmyers10 | Tesssa: I converted from Ubuntu, and I'm thrilled with my decision. |
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| Tesssa | but not lose xubuntu |
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| fenris02 | Tesssa, make a backup of your drive before making any major changes. |
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| fenris02 | installing another OS counts as 'major' |
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| jmyers10 | yeh, also fiddling with a 'partition manager' lol |
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| Tesssa | done a back up already |
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| fenris02 | point |
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| Tesssa | but thanks for the warning |
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| jmyers10 | mount /home on another physical drive ftw! |
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| fenris02 | *shrugs* /home should be on its own partition in any case |
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| jmyers | fenris02: It took me 5 reinstalls of ubuntu to figure that out. I'm such a dummiehead. |
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| fenris02 | jmyers, hm. there is a term for that ... "slow learner" :) |
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| jmyers | lol, that I am. |
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| Tesssa | ah me to |
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| jmyers | Lost my flippin resume all 5 times. |
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| jmyers | Emailing to myself is annoying. :/ |
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| fenris02 | here is an example partitioning: http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/OS_Protection#head-73cf15dd0e0cdf531bfc263e6694c79664962622 |
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| Tesssa | well breakfast time will do the install after a full english |
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| Tesssa | and thanks for the help |
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| jmyers | Tesssa: best of luck with that dual boot. My prediction is full system for Fedora with a virtual box for Ubuntu and all other os's. ;) |
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| jmyers | doh |
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| jmyers | slow typing ftl |
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| makubex_ | hi. is there any way to prevent vpnc not to disconnect every hour? |
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| noware | is fedora or ubuntu better for a n00b? |
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| [R] | noware: neither |
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| [R] | noware: try them both and see which one you like |
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| noware | R: i've used fedora in the past and have liked it but I'm still a newbie and read ubuntu is better for begineers. can you recommend a distro? |
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| [R] | so d/l it and try it |
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| [R] | and see if you like it |
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| noware | i'm running fedora 12 KDE and can't even remember how to install firefox. I seem to be missing rpm manager and apt-get. I'm downloading ubuntu now. going to try it. |
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| ammini | makubex_: I guess depends upon the VPN concentrator you're trying to connect. |
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| jmyers | noware: Fedora doesn't use apt-get, it uses yum. The simple fact that you are already familiar with apt-get may make Ubuntu a smoother transition for you. |
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| jmyers | noware: HOWEVER, I just wiped Ubuntu and installed Fedora a week ago, and I'm LOVING it. |
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| noware | i think i installed apt-get on fedora. I've been away from linux for a few years. |
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| jmyers | noware: yum is a slick cli package manager. I really like it. |
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| jmyers | noware: man yum, I think you'll find it VERY similar to apt-get |
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| jmyers | noware: and it's 4 less keystrokes! ;) |
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| fenris02 | noware, dont use apt on any rpm-based system. it will mangle your install. CLI, use yum. GIU use "Yum Extender" (yumex), or "PackageKit" |
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| trevor | anyoneknow how to install docky on fedora 12? |
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| ammini | What is docky? |
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| trevor | it was a part of gnome-do but recently splitinto its own project |
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| trevor | a dock like avant-window-navigator i suppose |
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| fenris02 | gnome-do and avant-window-navigator both exist in fedora |
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| trevor | i know, but gnome-do plugin docky was removed in fedora 12 |
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| trevor | avant window navigator i havent really messed with |
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| fenris02 | trevor, file an RFE for docky inclusion in fedora if you dont see it with 'yum search' |
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| N3LRX | post your wishes here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_maintainers_wishlist |
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| joshua__ | I installed oracle-instantclient11.2-basic-11.2.0.0.2-1.x86_64.rpm, but still getting errors when trying to install spacewalk: oracle-lib-compat-10.2-21.fc12.x86_64 from spacewalk has depsolving problems |
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| joshua__ | --> Missing Dependency: oracle-instantclient-sqlplus = 10.2.0.4 is needed by package oracle-lib-compat-10.2-21.fc12.x86_64 (spacewalk) |
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| joshua__ | any ideas? |
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| AntonTakk | joshua__: read the instructions again, i tells you you will need that package, as well as one other |
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| joshua__ | I did |
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| joshua__ | but will read again. |
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| AntonTakk | oh |
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| AntonTakk | you made that mistake |
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| joshua__ | reading once? |
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| AntonTakk | you downloaded instanclient 11.2 |
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| AntonTakk | you nee 10....something |
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| joshua__ | awww |
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| AntonTakk | further down the downloads page |
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| AntonTakk | again, re-read the oracle setup page |
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| AntonTakk | :) |
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| joshua__ | Version 10.2.0.4 |
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| joshua__ | found it |
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| AntonTakk | yup |
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| gdaa | what the hell is going on with #linux and #ubuntu? |
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| Action: ammini is not in both |
| ammini | gdaa: You're welcome to ask any questions pertaining to Fedora 11/12 in here :) |
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| trevor | ok ive tried to download a .rpm file form the forums and i get an error saying "The name org.freedesktop.PackageKit was not provided by any .service files" |
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| noware | Bad ass! yum install firefox. I took a guess and there it is. is there any way to search what apps are available using yum? |
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| ammini | noware: yum list available will show you |
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| [R] | noware: you could also... i dunno... read the yum man page |
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| noware | dude that is cool! screw ubuntu i'm sticking with fedora. |
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| noware | man yum. got it thanks. |
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| jmyers | yum search <keyword> rocks the pink socks. |
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| noware_ | damn. no yum install itunes. anyone recommend a windows emulator? |
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| [R] | noware_: there is no such thing as a windows emulator |
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| noware_ | i've heard of things to run windows inside linux is what i meant. or any way to run windows aps in fedora? |
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| gdaa | [R]: why do you keep comming and going? |
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| ammini | noware_: yum info wine |
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| [R] | wine lets you run windows apps |
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| [R] | but its not gonna run itunes |
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| [R] | gdaa: why does the sun rise and set? |
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| noware_ | i got to have itunes. maybe buy a mac :-) |
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| N3LRX | and wine does not work for all windows apps |
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| jmyers | noware_: virtual box, install windows under it, and do your itunes fun there. That's my plan. |
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| greenshoe | where are the official .spec files? |
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| greenshoe | I need to build mplayer with jack support. |
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| noware_ | jmyers: I think I've used virtual box in the past (or equivelant). I found this doc and am going to try it. http://frankscorner.org/index.php?p=itunes6 |
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| ammini | greenshoe: Enable the sources repo in /etc/yum.repos.d and download the source rpms. |
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| thomasj | nah |
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| greenshoe | But do the source rpms come with the specs? |
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| thomasj | greenshoe, yumdownloader --source |
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| [R] | greenshoe: of cousre they do... how else are you going to build it... magic? |
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| talcite | Has anyone every experienced plymouth failing to text mode, but KMS having no issues? |
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| [R] | talcite: how do you know kms is working? |
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| ammini | thomasj: Ah, nice catch ;) Thanks for correcting. |
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| thomasj | ammini, no problem :) |
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| talcite | [R]: I have mode setting in alt+f* terminals |
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| greenshoe | oh here it is. |
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| talcite | err ttys* |
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| greenshoe | I didn't see the SPECS dir it made. |
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| [R] | talcite: how do you know that? |
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| talcite | [R]: resolution is different |
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| [R] | talcite: ok? and how do you know its kms? |
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| talcite | plus I'm on supported hardware, radeon R100 |
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| talcite | [R]: well I definitely didn't set it as user mode setting. Kernel boot parameters are default fedora ones |
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| [R] | well if plymouth is failing |
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| [R] | its most likely not doing kms |
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| talcite | It's doing some kind of mode setting and I didn't change anything beyond default updates |
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| [R] | that doesn't mean its doing kms |
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| talcite | [R]: plymouth works with any type of modesetting I think |
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| [R] | no |
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| thomasj | talcite, check for a radeon driver bug with the kernel you're running. |
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| talcite | hmm. Well regardless I'm not using user mode setting and I'm getting mode settings effects |
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| talcite | thomasj: no errors in dmesg. In fact, [R] dmesg reports KMS |
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| thomasj | talcite, i meant bugzilla.redhat.com not dmesg :) |
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| talcite | oh. heh |
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| [R] | talcite: ok, so report a bug |
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| thomasj | talcite, i recall at least one. |
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| thomasj | talcite, was first assigned to plymouth but got re-assigned |
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| talcite | thomasj: hmm looks like you're right. There's a bug describing these symptoms exactly. Oh well. At least we're working on it. Thanks |
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| greenshoe | What should I read about The Right Way to build rpms? Is there a better way to reslove dependencies that using the shell to cut and paste from what rpmbuild says it needs for mplayer? |
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| [R] | yum-builddeps |
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| greenshoe | thx! |
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| fedorauser162 | yello. where can i find instructions on kmod-nvidia installation? |
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| [R] | fedorauser162: rpmfusion webwsite, fedorasolved website... take your pick |
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| fedorauser162 | i tried earlier and ended up fux0ring my X server :( |
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| Action: N3LRX points fedorauser162 to http://fedorasolved.org/video-solutions/nvidia-yum-livna/ |
| Action: fedorauser162 peeks |
| fedorauser162 | 0_0 |
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| fedorauser162 | [r] N3LRX i see my card listed several times in the list... how do i know which to pick? |
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| [R] | fedorauser162: "the list"? |
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| fedorauser162 | http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_18897.html |
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| fedorauser162 | yah that list |
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| fedorauser162 | the site tells me to look my card up |
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| fedorauser162 | i have the GeForce 7600 GS |
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| [R] | the first list is the newest driver |
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| [R] | then after that it has headers |
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| [R] | with what driver version it is |
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| [R] | you want whatever the latest driver supports your card |
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| fedorauser162 | huh? |
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| fedorauser162 | i dont follow |
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| fedorauser162 | i see my card listed but listed twice |
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| roguedaemon | follow kmod-nvidia instructions |
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| fedorauser162 | i am |
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| fedorauser162 | roguedaemon, it tells me to check the products supported list |
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| fedorauser162 | i see mine twice |
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| roguedaemon | http://fedorasolved.org/video-solutions/nvidia-yum-kmod |
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| fedorauser162 | roguedaemon, thats where i am |
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| roguedaemon | fedorauser162: good, where are you |
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| fedorauser162 | roguedaemon, the step that says # View the output generated to determine which card you have, then check the nVidia Supported Products List to see which driver supports the card you have installed. |
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| roguedaemon | fedorauser162: ok, move to the next step |
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| fedorauser162 | roguedaemon, how do i know which driver? |
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| roguedaemon | fedorauser162: which card do you have? |
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| fedorauser162 | roguedaemon, or is it just saying that if its in list X you get the driver for X |
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| fedorauser162 | 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G70 [GeForce 7600 GS] (rev a1) |
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| roguedaemon | fedorauser162: ok, move to the next step |
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| fedorauser162 | k |
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| fedorauser162 | installing kmod-nvidia |
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| fedorauser162 | roguedaemon, ok here goes. rebooting |
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| roguedaemon | i'll cross my fingers |
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| fedorauser162 | roguedaemon, worked! but now my bootup screen is low-res. is there a way to make it high-res as before? |
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| roguedaemon | fedorauser162: boot up screen? |
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| roguedaemon | explain |
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| roguedaemon | i use vga=792 |
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| fedorauser162 | roguedaemon, yeah before it showed the fedora "F" in high res now it shows a clunky ansi-looking progress bar at the bottom of the screen |
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| fedorauser162 | roguedaemon, oh in grub? |
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| roguedaemon | or 791 or something |
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| roguedaemon | i forget |
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| roguedaemon | 1280x1024 console |
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| fedorauser162 | yeah thats it |
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| roguedaemon | remove rhgb quiet |
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| N3LRX | I keep the quiet in there so it's more human readable |
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| fedorauser162 | roguedaemon, all instances of rhgb quiet or just one? |
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| roguedaemon | N3LRX: for humans |
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| fedorauser162 | N3LRX, what do you mean? |
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| N3LRX | I just remove ther rhgb |
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| fedorauser162 | what does quiet do as opposed to rhgb? |
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| roguedaemon | fedorauser162: the default kernel will set the default for the next |
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| roguedaemon | starting with 0 |
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| roguedaemon | the next installed kernel will take the parameters of the default |
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| fedorauser162 | ah ok |
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| thomasj | fedorauser162, removing quiet makes the boot screen almost unreadable by humans ;) You can read the output as well in dmesg or /var/log/messages |
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| ammini1 | rhgb and quiet are entirely different, quiet means it would suppress the messages before init. rhgb is Red Hat Graphics Boot, which is deprecated by plymouth ( I think ) |
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| fedorauser162 | ahh |
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| thomasj | ammini1, yep, replaced with F-10 |
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| roguedaemon | rhgb and quiet should both be removed if you are adding vga= |
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| roguedaemon | because they suck |
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| fedorauser162 | oh |
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| roguedaemon | its for grandma |
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| thomasj | ... |
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| fedorauser162 | im confused now |
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| fedorauser162 | do i want to remove rhgb and quiet AND add vga= or what? |
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