pr3d4t0r	Owner_: The strangest thing is that the template is being included (via extend), then it chokes when it finds the first block.
pr3d4t0r	Owner_: Yes, child extends the page in the example.
girasquid	Is it even possible to pass an initial argument to a forms.BooleanField? No matter what I do, I can't seem to get it to be True when my form is rendered
Owner_	pr3 i thought i only saw the parent template's link
pr3d4t0r	Owner_: Right.
pr3d4t0r	Owner_: Let me post the whole thing; there isn't much to it.  Please stand by.
pr3d4t0r	Owner_: http://eugeneciurana.com/pastebin/pastebin.php?show=42565
pr3d4t0r	Owner_: The template error occurs whether the block is overriden in the specialized template or not.
Eloff	Can I query database views (as opposed to tables) with the django orm?
cleifer	hey guys, i have a custom field i'm using to represent timedeltas until it lands it django proper - i'd like to make it so when the integer value is loaded from the db its converted to a timedelta -- anyone know if there's a hook for that, or if i need to use a descriptor?
Action: pr3d4t0r is very close to giving up on Django and using App Engine This One Time for the demo he's got pending and then resolve this later.
Owner_	pr3d4t0r: ok i got no idea, osrry dude
Owner_	bbl
cleifer	Adys, ping
pr3d4t0r	Odd_Bloke: No worries - thank you.
pr3d4t0r	Oh, he left :)
ubernostrum	pr3d4t0r: what version of Django are you using?
pr3d4t0r	ubernostrum: 1.1.
pr3d4t0r	ubernostrum: With Python 2.5.2.
Adys	cleifer: ?
cleifer	hey, i have a quick question about field hooks, i know you've done some work on durationfield
pr3d4t0r	ubernostrum: Let's see... it's on an Ubuntu Server, single core, dedicated machine.  All it'll do is act as a dev Django server.  Nothing else in the box.
Adys	cleifer: sure
cleifer	i'm working up a simple one until it lands in django -- having trouble knowing the hook to convert an integer from the DB to a timedelta
ubernostrum	pr3d4t0r: and what's the full error message it gives you?
cleifer	my field subclasses IntegerField and i'm storing seconds since that's the resolution we need
Adys	cleifer: did you look at the last durationfield patch? thats exactly what it does, subclasses bigint instead of int
cleifer	i can store timedeltas but when i retrieve my fields' value i get integers - just wondered if i needed to write a descriptor to convert that int to a timedelta or if i could do it in a hook when it loads from the db
cleifer	Adys, yeah i've looked at it, hot stuff!
Adys	but iirc it's something with from_python method
pr3d4t0r	ubernostrum: Would you prefer a browser capture or a paste?  It's long.
Action: pr3d4t0r assumes that paste is OKi and that HTML formatting won't get messed up.
Adys	cleifer: but yeah basically you convert the value from int to timedelta in from_python
cleifer	yeah, i've got it going in, it's the reading the int from the db that i need to hook
pr3d4t0r	ubernostrum: http://eugeneciurana.com/pastebin/pastebin.php?show=42566 - here's the complete output as I see it on the browser.
intranation	pr3d4t0r: return HttpResponse(output.render(None))
intranation	You want None to be {}
Adys	cleifer: ill brb, will check the patch in 5 mins
cleifer	Adys, thanks a ton!
intranation	If I came late and guessed correctly
Adys	cleifer: out of curiousity, any reason why you can't just use my patch and subclass it to use int?
cleifer	Adys, i don't want to patch django, we need to run on 1.1
Adys	ah right
pr3d4t0r	intranation: Ah!
cleifer	so with your field, if I do obj.duration = timedelta(seconds=300), obj.save() -- then i reload shell, obj.duration == 300, or obj.duration == timedelta(seconds=300) ?
pr3d4t0r	intranation: Thanks a bunch - it makes sense.
intranation	Contexts always need to be a dictionary
intranation	because the key part of it is the variable name in the template
pr3d4t0r	intranation: Got it.  It makes perfect sense.  It needs an *empty* dictionary :D
pr3d4t0r	intranation, ubernostrum: Thanks..
pr3d4t0r	Man, do I feel stupid right now...
intranation	pr3d4t0r: it's just one of those things you get used to after using Django for years... ;)
EyePulp	any way to allow a model manager to be passed an argument?  I need to get a queryset back in a few different places using some vars from the request object, and I'd like to pass the request to a model manager to help with filtering
EyePulp	it just seemed cleaner, at least, to work it through a model manager.
cleifer	Adys, i got it figured out
cleifer	i needed to use the SubfieldBase metaclass on my field
visik7	hi
visik7	anyone using gocept.cxoracle with djangorecipe ?
cleifer	that ensures that to_python gets called
ubernostrum	pr3d4t0r: yeah, you always render a template with a Context object.
ubernostrum	pr3d4t0r: as covered by the Django documentation, which may be a good next stop...
pr3d4t0r	ubernostrum: I'm reading it - just had a mental fart thinking "I'm not passing anything to this one yet" so I used none instad of { } :\
Action: pr3d4t0r hangs his head in shame.
pr3d4t0r	s/none/None/
Adys	cleifer: ah
Adys	yeah fields are a bit complex
cleifer	yeah i forgot about subfieldbase
cleifer	luckily django's docs kick ass
cleifer	*plug*
fabiant7t	hi!
fabiant7t	anyone knows of an existing app providing me with sth. like an if_app_installed template tag, if_app_intalled decorator and an is_app_installed method?
atoi	is there any way to eagerly load certain connections along a foreign key? That is... is there a way to User.objects.filter(x=y) and have the extra relation loaded up so when I memcache the resulting set the relation is cached too?
Pentheus	Hello everyone.  I have a really large app with a bunch of "app/models/__init__.py" files that load each model in the models directory so that they're picked up by syncdb and such.  This is causing a huge issue with circular imports since an import from app.models.file.FileClass results in hitting the __init__.py which triggers an import * basically
bparker06	atoi: select_related()
atoi	bparker06, awesome, I'll search the docs. :) Thanks.
Pentheus	Is there something I can do to get django to pick up all these files in the models directory without creating an __init__ file spelling out an import for each model class within each model directory
Pentheus	(which I believe is the cause of my circular import issue)
subsume	hrmz
dankles	Pentheus: you mean your app's code is doing the import from app.models.file.FileClass ?
Pentheus	Yes
subsume	if __init__ is importing everything and nothing is impotring __init__, then there shouldn't be circs.
Pentheus	I do like so:
Pentheus	from app.models.file import FileClass
Pentheus	which (from the traceback)
Pentheus	appears to trigger the __init__ in that directory
atoi	"Note that, by default, select_related() does not follow foreign keys that have null=True."
dankles	So what's the actual error?
fabiant7t	Pentheus: why do you need to import * in your __init__.py?
atoi	I wonder if there's a way to change that default behavior.
Pentheus	I have "from file import FileClass" for each file within the __init__.py file in order to get django to see all the models
Pentheus	for syncdb, etc.
fest	this problem has been bothering me as well- I just created a huge models.py file as a temporary workaround
fest	and as we know- nothing is more permanent than temporary solutions :/
fest	Pentheus, you might try to structure your apps so that no two applications depend on each other's models
Pentheus	Thats impossible for me though
subsume	seems like poor design then.
Adys	or, smart use of python which you haven't thought about?
Adys	I hate people classifying everything as poor design because it's not the intended use
Pentheus	This is an example of the Traceback, showing the __init__'s triggering imports leading to circular imports
Pentheus	http://dpaste.com/170154/
subsume	yeah. I classified everything as poor design. No dude. I classified one thing as poor design.
Adys	that said, you should look into using a proxy abstract class living elsewhere, and subclassing it once for each of them
Adys	subsume: you classified something as poor design without knowing what the design actually is
subsume	Whatever you say.
subsume	Pentheus: nobody needs to see a traceback about your circular imports. What you need to do is take a comb to that nasty project.
Pentheus	And what would this comb do?
subsume	Stop making things depend on one another. Its a basic thing to avoid in python.
subsume	I don't see how this is even related to you __init__.py stuff.
subsume	you/your
Pentheus	I never had circular dependency issues before working with Django, this seems to be a pink elephant in the room that everyone ignores
hoink	wheel-reinvention prevention: simple contact form design pattern?: I'm noobing with Django, creating a textarea-and-send-button contact.  Any urls for Known Good ways to do this?
Pentheus	Some people don't want agiant models.py
bparker06	I never had to put anything in an __init__.py
subsume	Pentheus: well, you can reference other models by using a string.
dankles	hoink: ubernostrum has one
Pentheus	Only when they are in the same file, Subsume
subsume	Pentheus: Wrong.
Pentheus	Ok, tell me how?
dankles	hoink: http://bitbucket.org/ubernostrum/django-contact-form/
subsume	Pentheus: ForeignKey('youjust.Do')
bparker06	Pentheus: you can use 'appname.somemodel'
Pentheus	I don't understand what that buys me
subsume	heh.
bparker06	no circular dependencies
subsume	righton buddy.
Pentheus	As soon as I do that Django complains that the class (youjust.Do) is not later defined
subsume	Is that a string??
Pentheus	I'm saving a bit on the typing
Pentheus	I know about quoting FKs
subsume	Hmm. Never heard of it.
Pentheus	"asset.networkportcloud: 'node' has a relation with model Node, which has either not been installed or is abstract."
Pentheus	surprise.
BrianHV	why would a url field give me a "This URL appears to be a broken link" error even though I can access the link through a browser?
hylje	Pentheus: works fine for me, cross-app or not
subsume	Pentheus: no idea what you're talking about. paste models.
bparker06	Pentheus: you are still referring to 'node' by importing it, and not via string
Pentheus	No, this is pure FK stringage
subsume	paste.
Sonderblade	what does "IntegrityError: current transaction has been aborted, all commands ignored until the end of the transaction" mean and how do you end the transaction?
subsume	BrianHV: cause your pattern is off?
zerok	BrianHV: is perhaps the dns on the server not configured?
subsume	oh duh. probably that.
Pentheus	http://dpaste.com/170160/
zerok	BrianHV: if you want to disable that check, set verify_exists=False in the field definition
subsume	Pentheus: typically when you paste, you actually include what the person told you to apply.
Pentheus	What am I missing subsume?
subsume	the app label?
bparker06	all the other models?
subsume	the whole point?
bparker06	lol
BrianHV	zerok: I can wget the link from the server... but I'll try verify_exists
Pentheus	sigh
intranation	Pentheus: you want server = models.ForeignKey('appname.models.ServerCloud')
visik7	anyone know how to add a zc.recipe.egg:custom into the extra-paths of djangorecipe ?
intranation	Pentheus: basically anything that'll pass the conditions for __import__, here: http://effbot.org/zone/import-confusion.htm
Pentheus	Just tried it with the app label
BrianHV	zerok: verify_exists worked.  thanks.
zerok	BrianHV: wierd. django only tried to open the url with urllib2 :-/
Pentheus	It was difficult to  weed the actual help out of the snide remarks
Pentheus	Thank you subsume, all the same :)
Pentheus	and et al
subsume	No problemo. =).
Pentheus	works perfectly
BrianHV	zerok: aah, that gives me a clue.  urllib2.HTTPError: HTTP Error 302: The HTTP server returned a redirect error that would lead to an infinite loop.
zerok	ah ^_^
phretor	hi, why does ModelForm.clean() does not get called from AdminModel subclasses?
machrider	is there a django-esque way to implement a job queue (like, sending out emails asynchronously)?
visik7	solved
subsume	phretor: did you connect it to the modeladmin?
subsume	machrider: cron ?
SilverSiR	Hey guys how can i specify which django version an app uses. I have two on my system 1.0 and 1.1.1. Right now it's defaulting to 1.1.1 but I want it to use the 1.0 version
phretor	subsume: the clean?
intranation	machrider: at my work we use RabbitMQ with a Django management command
intranation	YMMV
bparker06	I agree there is lots of 'superior ego' flying around here usually
subsume	SilverSiR: in dev server
subsume	SilverSiR: ??
SilverSiR	yes
SilverSiR	just running python manage.py runserver
subsume	lol. I am far from superior but I know how to link a model via a string pretty goddamn reliably.
machrider	subsume: ideally something that would work on win32 too
bparker06	but that's a common theme with open source people
machrider	intranation: thanks, i'll take a look
bparker06	subsume: and others don't
subsume	SilverSiR: PYTHONPATH=/home/you/whatever/ python manage.py shell where whatever contains your alternate django
bparker06	which is why they come here for help
bparker06	not to get yelled at
zerok	machrider: there are a couple, but probably the most robustness you'll get out of some combination with some amqp server libe rabbitmq. celery offers a nice interface for that
machrider	related question: can django handle two threads accessing the ORM simultaneously?
machrider	producer consumer style
intranation	machrider: dumb/easy way would be to have a model which stores commands and fetch the jobs out of that
subsume	bparker06: well yeah, but when they don't listen and tell you 'they know' they need a chop down.
phretor	is there any special way to implement a ModelForm's clean() for use in an AdminModel subclass?
bparker06	subsume: I still don't agree with how you handle most people's questions
bparker06	I think it's completely rude
bparker06	unnecessarily
subsume	Whatsamatter with a little good cop bad cop
bparker06	it makes people /quit
bparker06	lol
subsume	haha, yeah right. I really doubt I've ever chased anyone off their problem.

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