| echa | the same package |
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| echa | there is only one |
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| jelly-home | echa: pastebin the actual error |
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| echa | the file exists in only one package |
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| echa | it's hard to paste as it's on another system with no internet |
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| echa | i will copy to usb hang on |
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| paissad | squisher, yes, if i remove the background option of the program , everything's ok ! |
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| paissad | squisher, you're a great guy :) |
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| squisher | paissad, you're welcome |
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| jelly-home | echa: if it's the exact package, things should work. If it's some other package, read the policy: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-replaces |
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| Devastator | jelly-home I see that you didn't sleep yet, can I ask you a simple question about raid? |
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| jelly-home | maybe :-) |
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| Devastator | jelly-home is it hard to setup raid 10 on linux? |
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| jelly-home | not any harder than elsewhere |
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| echa | http://pastebin.com/d1fd38253 |
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| echa | jelly-home: i'm not sure what you mean |
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| echa | jelly-home: the file exists in only one package |
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| jelly-home | pkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/pack-eclipse_0.01_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/opt/eclipse/about.html', which is also in package nirs-eclipse |
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| paissad | btw, i would like to know how to manage the order of start of init.d scripts ... for example how to ensure that script_a will be run before script_b ? |
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| jelly-home | echa: you have "pack-eclipse" and "nirs-eclipse" |
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| echa | this is a mistake |
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| abrotman | you made it! |
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| jelly-home | echa: you'll have to either purge the old package first, or add Conflicts: and Replaces: nirs-eclipse if you want it to be automatically removed, or just Replace: if you want that file overwritten but keep other bits of the old package. |
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| echa | but it isn't installed |
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| jelly-home | echa: yes it is. |
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| echa | i purged everything from synaptic |
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| echa | and checked in /top |
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| jelly-home | it's unpacked at least |
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| echa | in /opt |
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| echa | ok |
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| jelly-home | echa: dpkg -l nirs\* |
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| echa | no packages found matching |
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| jimcooncat | I'd like to know if there is an option where I could have "group homes", where a home directory is provided for each group formed by manual input. Anyone heard of a setup like that? |
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| jelly-home | echa: dpkg doesn't make mistakes... users do! |
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| echa | yes |
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| echa | but where |
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| echa | that's the hard part |
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| jimcooncat | I suspect this would be monkeying with PAM? |
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| Rienzilha | dunno |
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| jelly-home | echa: nothing in dpkg -l nirs\*, or dpkg -l nirs-eclipse? |
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| Rienzilha | add them to a group |
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| Rienzilha | make the directory owned by that group |
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| Rienzilha | and set the homedir for each user to that directory |
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| echa | jelly-home, no |
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| jelly-home | echa: ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/nirs-eclipse* |
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| Devastator | jelly-home I asked the question because I'm thinking about building a server using raid 10, but never used it under linux.. some say raid 10 is the best |
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| jimcooncat | I guess I could make my own front end to addgroup? |
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| Mr_Queue | any aptitude guru's on hand? It has been forever since I've been outside of Debian. However, I just set up an Ubuntu host inside my Sid machine and noticed a pretty big different in the responsiviness when using aptitude in ubuntu. what gives? |
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| echa | nothing in there |
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| echa | something is wrong with my packages |
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| echa | i think |
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| echa | the control files are wrong |
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| lizk | in grub2 what is the number of first logical partition? |
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| jelly-home | echa: that's a real possibility, too. The clocks on your machines don't match either. |
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| echa | yes, i noticed |
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| echa | one is a VM, its clock is always wrong |
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| jelly-home | eh, make it ntpdate once a minute in cron |
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| Mr_Queue | is there some large cache aptitude/dpkg is reading over I don't know about? |
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| jelly-home | ... once you have network |
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| echa | jelly-home, no internets |
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| echa | jelly-home, no internets ever... |
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| jelly-home | Mr_Queue: I guess, if their aptitude is faster, you'll have to ask them? |
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| jelly-home | echa: so make a local time server, or install guest additions, or just do date -s "correct time" |
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| jimcooncat | Mr_Queue: maybe one of the repositories you use added a load of packages? |
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| sparr | are there any open source multi-protocol IM clients that support video on one or more protocols? |
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| jelly-home | echa: also, don't expect help from me if you paste munged data, it's too much hassle to fix the real issue without the user muddying it even more |
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| abrotman | Mr_Queue: you sohuld really ask #ubuntu |
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| jelly-home | "Dear #ubuntu, why is Ubuntu's aptitude so much faster than Debian's?" |
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| jelly-home | Mr_Queue: possibly a better question for #debian-devel than here, they might know if ubuntu has patches applied |
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| abrotman | or ask the ubuntu devs . |
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| jimcooncat | how do I find what pam modules debian stable has available? |
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| Mr_Queue | jelly-home: good point.. I had initally thought that perhaps it had something to do with the age of my Sid install..(years) over the fresh vhost. |
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| Mr_Queue | err.. vclient |
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| jelly-home | Mr_Queue: you might have lots of crap in the aged installation sources.list |
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| Mr_Queue | abrotman: why? I don't 'run' ubuntu really.. it is only a vm built just the other day, and the slack seems to be debian. |
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| Mr_Queue | jelly-home: well, rather 'clean' sources.. main contrib non-free and multimedia.. |
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| jelly-home | Mr_Queue: we don't know why aptitude is slow as hell, we just live with it |
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| abrotman | Mr_Queue: it's their patches, not ours .. ask them how they altered theirs to be faster |
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| jelly-home | and probably a -dev channel of some sort rather than just #u |
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| Mr_Queue | abrotman: well that seems to answer the question. with it is know and accepted that our aptitude is slower.. |
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| Mr_Queue | *known |
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| DogBoy | slower how? |
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| abrotman | Mr_Queue: good, conversation over? |
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| Mr_Queue | abrotman: yeah sure I suppose so.... |
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| abrotman | Mr_Queue: really, you're asking the wrong people |
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| tking | What would debian do with 1000 USD if one were to give them that much? |
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| jelly-home | tking: TIAS |
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| abrotman | tking: you'd donate the money to SPI |
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| Mr_Queue | tking: pay for some bandwidth? add to the endowment? |
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| tking | I wanted to setup a FSF scholarship for college students |
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| tking | but then my wife took a bunch of stuff |
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| tking | :| |
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| Mr_Queue | heh- they're good for that eh |
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| jelly-home | tking: you seem to be overestimating the value of US Dollar by a lot |
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| TrueDD | Good night all |
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| Action: [bintut] waves |
| tking | jelly, no I had a lot more than a grand. \ |
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| tking | jelly-home, * |
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| Mr_Queue | :) |
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| [bintut] | i am having an OOM that kills my running Squid 2.6STABLE5 eventhough i have a 16GB RAM. any advice? how can i eliminate the OOM problem on my system? thanks. |
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| OldParr | please how do i incorpore filesystem NTFS to gparted in debian it only shows ext2 ext3 and swap? |
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| jelly-home | [bintut]: 32 or 64bit debian? |
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| nolimitsoya | is there a live install cd with networkmanager enabled? |
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| jelly-home | OldParr: install the Suggested: packages of gparted. Notably, ntfsprogs |
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| OldParr | jelly-home: thanks |
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| nike | jelly-home: What do you think of this: mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 /dev/sde1 /dev/sdf1 |
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| jelly-home | nike: sounds worth a try... is sdb alive? |
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| nike | jelly-home: best way to check? |
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| lizk | in grub2 what is the number of first logical partition? |
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| jelly-home | nike: hdparm -tT? smartmontools? |
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| dvs | lizk: 5 |
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| bododo | hi guys |
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| jimcooncat | is there anything special about a user or group name that starts with an underscore? |
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| nolimitsoya | ok the, does the kde install come with networkmanager or will i need more cds? |
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| nolimitsoya | *then |
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| bododo | it seems that udev has problems in sid? |
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| jelly-home | nike: if you take a look at superblock in sda1, you'll see there was no sdb1 in there the last time it was working, either |
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| bododo | It shows me a whole lot of errors (warnings I think) |
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| bododo | and mouseemu isn't working |
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| dvs | bododo: about conf? |
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| nike | jelly-home: Odd. Right. Okay, scary. If I erased sdf during that stunted 1-2% rebuild process when it was sda, sdb, etc.... |
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| bododo | when I login to X, I have no keyboard |
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| bododo | dvs: ? :) |
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| jelly-home | nike: you'll probably have some crap on sdf1 |
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| bododo | dvs: ah yes! the warnings were about conf I think |
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| nike | jelly-home: But look at this: http://pastebin.ca/1764721 |
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| nike | It shows hdparm output as well as mdadm scanning sdb1 |
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| dvs | bododo: they're just warnings. |
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| bododo | is there a way I can tune/config udev or something? |
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| jelly-home | nike: note the difference in dates on sdb1 and other sd?1 |
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| nike | ah |
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| bododo | dvs: yes, but I think there's a pb with it |
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| nike | jelly-home: Okay so it might have died on Nov 3? |
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| nike | That hdparm command didn't have much info it seems. |
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| nike | Should I do another hdparm command or install smartmontools? |
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| OldParr | please how do i incorpore filesystem FAT to gparted in debian it only shows ntfs ext2 ext3 and swap? |
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| jelly-home | nike: at this point I'd either contact a data recovery company and explain in detail what was done, or try assembling sda1, sdc1-sdf1 and see what the filesystem looks like |
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| nike | jelly-home: Wow. Okay.... |
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| nike | jelly-home: What do you think of this: mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 /dev/sde1 /dev/sdf1 |
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| jelly-home | OldParr: look at the status of gparted package. dpkg -s gparted. Then extrapolate from that. |
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| nolimitsoya | nike, specify a metadata version, level and layout as appropriate |
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| jelly-home | OldParr: the answer is similar to your previous question. |
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| nolimitsoya | nike, oops, never mind :) |
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| OldParr | jelly-home: thanks |
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| jelly-home | nike: I think I'd have to rtfm to see if there are any --read-only options to be added |
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| pm2 | I'm having a strange problem with the way mail is being sent to certain users on my domain. I have a postfix/procmail/spamassassin setup. A user has an account which is set to deliver to a virtual mailbox, and to forward to a blackberry email address. When I send mail to that user, he received 9 copies of the message. Log files are here: http://pastebin.com/m4b7369e2 |
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| nike | jelly-home: yeah read-only would be amazing, that's really the reason I'd want to use force but |
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| pm2 | This started after I setup procmail and spamassassin to do spam filtering. So far I've only noticed it on this one user's account, I setup another account to forward to a non-blackberry address and also deliver to a virtual mailbox, and I don't have the problem. Any ideas? |
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| OldParr | jelly-home: why do you use dpkg instead of aptitude? |
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| jelly-home | OldParr: why not? |
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| nike | jelly-home: I do not see one in the subsection of switches for assemble nor the general non-mode specific switches |
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| OldParr | jelly-home: internet says that aptitude is the best package manager for debian |
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| jelly-home | OldParr: I don't see the point. Is there a shorter way to do dpkg -s packagename with aptitude? |
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| OldParr | jelly-home: i will investigate that question i really do not know |
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| g00dtimes | pm2: for clarity, you send one email to w@example.com and it gets delivered 9 times to sw@vzw.blackberry.net? |
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| jelly-home | neither do I, so I use what I know works |
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| g00dtimes | s/w@example.com/sw@example.com |
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| pm2 | g00dtimes, let me double check... |
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| jelly-home | nike: also. That hdparm test showed hdparm was unable to read 2MB off the disk... so sdb has issues. |
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| jelly-home | Timing buffered disk reads: read(2097152) returned 1445888 bytes |
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| nike | jelly-home: Probably enough to kill it's position in the array? |
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| nike | Either needs to be rebuilt, or... well does that mean it's definitely dead? |
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| nike | And by dead I mean: is that 2MB of space physically shot? |
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| pm2 | g00dtimes, I send one email to sw@example.com, and 9 copies end up at both sw@vzw.blackberry.net and the virtual maildir for sw@example.com |
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| jelly-home | nike: it certainly seems so |
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| g00dtimes | pm2: what are you using for your virtual maps? |
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| nike | jelly-home: Okay well I am scared I may have overwritten sdf's data from before when I had no sda1, sdb1, etc. |
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| nike | best way to verify would be to mdadm --assemble I think |
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| nike | leaving out sdb I guess |
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| pm2 | g00dtimes, a pgsql backend.. let me post main.cf... |
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| jelly-home | nike: the safest thing to do at this point might be: get a new disk to use instead of current sdf. Then assemble a degraded array with sd{a,c,d,e}, and let it rebuild on the replacement for sdf |
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| nike | jelly-home: Probably will add --run actually, that attempts to start the arry even if less drives are specified than when it was last working. So if I only specify 5 drives and leave out sdb1...? |
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| jelly-home | nike: this will work IFF no other disks have bad sectors/read errors |
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| nike | jelly-home: No no, this is RAID-5 though. |
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| nike | If I lose 2 disks I thought I am dead in the water. |
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| pm2 | g00dtimes, main.cf at http://pastebin.com/m44814f3a |
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| nike | If my sdb is physically dead... don't I need to try my damndest to recover sdf? |
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| jelly-home | nike: the array seems to be using 5 devices. |
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| nike | jelly-home: It's definitely a 6 drive RAID-5 array |
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| jelly-home | oh, I misread |
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| pm2 | g00dtimes, I manually ran the sql query for sw@example.com - it returns two rows of sw@example.com and sw@vzw.blackberry.net |
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| jelly-home | nike: then you're fucked already |
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| nike | I've got sdb maybe dead, and sdf maybe overwritten |
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| g00dtimes | pm2: also, hang a few "-v" off the end of the line in master.cf that contains the virtual definiton and then reload postfix |
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| nike | jelly-home: What if it rebuilds with sdf? |
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| nike | mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 --run /dev/sda1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 /dev/sde1 /dev/sdf1 ?? |
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| jelly-home | nike: s/rebuilds/assembles/? Some of the data might be crap. |
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| jelly-home | don't insist on --run, first see if it assembles at all |
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| nike | jelly-home: Well okay, I will. But now I'm looking at incremental mode. |
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| g00dtimes | pm2: can you post pgsql-virtual-mailbox.cf as well? |
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| jelly-home | nike: there's nothing incremental to be done here. |
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| nike | Not sure if I want to just do that instead of a straight assemble |
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| pm2 | g00dtimes, certainly, one sec |
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| nike | ah okay, I just though that the test incremental mode does might be nice, but okay. |
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| jelly-home | nike: it's the same thing |
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| nike | You think I should just run the assemble command without sdb? |
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| jelly-home | all of your non-bad device are online and connected |
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| g00dtimes | pm2: first off, crank up the verbosity on virtual. next, resend a message. it looks like the lookup is returning >1 result, thus delivering it more than once. |
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| jelly-home | nike: definitely, sdb is a) dead, and b) data on it is 2 months old |
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| nike | It'll know it's RAID-5 and try and run the array without sdb etc. |
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