| SerajewelKS | nat2610: create a local repository with that .deb |
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| SerajewelKS | nat2610: alternatively, you can dpkg -i --force-depends on the .deb and then "aptitude -f install" to fix the broken dependencies. the former is cleaner, the latter is easier. |
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| SerajewelKS | nat2610: obviously don't do the dpkg --force-depends route for anything core, like libc |
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| abrotman | karlpinc: what? |
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| orak3l | ive installed fglrx-driver with fglrx-modules-dkms. build was fine and fglrx.ko is in /lib/modules/$KERNEL/updates/dkms. i cant load the driver with modprobe (module not found) but it is working with "insmod" |
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| orak3l | is this expected? |
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| cusco | try modprobe -l to list available modules |
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| cusco | |greping whatever |
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| orak3l | cusco, ok i can see update/dkms/fglrx.ko in the search path. but im not sure if this entry existed before i manually "insmod" fglrx |
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| orak3l | i have to reboot |
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| JordiGH | Is it a security risk to have my private ssh key in a machine that may be physically compromised? |
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| JordiGH | I mean, there's a key to the private key, but... |
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| tharkun | JordiGH: is it safe to play with fire? |
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| tuvyz | http://apcmag.com/why_i_quit_kernel_developer_con_kolivas.htm <- that's one sad story |
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| abrotman | tharkun: depends how big the flame is ? |
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| PinkFreud | JordiGH: your ssh key is as safe as the passphrase protecting it. |
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| abrotman | tuvyz: #debian-offtopic |
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| JordiGH | PinkFreud: Good enough for me. |
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| abrotman | JordiGH: that said .. if they get your key, and you don't replace the pair .. they have infinite tries to figure out your passphrase |
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| PinkFreud | JordiGH: Personally, I wouldn't place that much trust in it, but it's your key. |
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| JordiGH | Well, are the current estimates for cracking 8 random printable ascii characters well below the heat death of the universe? |
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| JordiGH | Maybe I should make it longer: 16 random printable ASCII characters. |
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| PinkFreud | that was an interesting bot. |
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| PinkFreud | JordiGH: The way I view it is that having a passphrase on your key helps in case it escapes into the wild. |
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| PinkFreud | JordiGH: that being said, NEVER let your key escape into the wild. :P |
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| lifestream | Where do I find the commands that debian runs on boot? Like mouting the disks, starting services |
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| PinkFreud | lifestream: /etc/init.d |
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| lifestream | PinkFreud, oh I see, then there's a file for each program.. I see... |
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| Titan8990 | mounting the disks isn't performed by a service |
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| lifestream | No, "things like mounting the disks, *and* starting services" |
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| lifestream | there was a comma there :p |
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| Titan8990 | lifestream: I know, I was just pointing it out :). I am not sure what exactly mounts the disks... could still be a job of the bootloader |
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| tharkun | JordiGH: Lets put it this way, the passphrase on your keypair is just a time ticket that you get in case your machine gets compromised so you can revoke it and set up a new one |
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| Titan8990 | in short it goes kernel boots -> rootfs is mounted -> rest of fs mounted -> services started |
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| lifestream | Titan8990, I'm not interested in modding the disk config, that was just an example of "things that run on boot" |
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| lifestream | I just want to add 1 line to be run on boot |
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| lifestream | For everyone, not for user |
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| Titan8990 | lifestream: sysvconfig --listlinks |
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| Titan8990 | !tell lifestream about rc.local |
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| lifestream | Ok so that file I can add custom changes |
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| lifestream | Ok, now, I want to stop mpd from loading on boot |
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| Titan8990 | lifestream: check you pm from dpkg |
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| Titan8990 | lifestream: man update-rc.d |
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| lifestream | Hmm I don't want to stop it after it runs, I just don't want it to load *at all* on boot |
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| cusco | so.. how can I make a keybind to perform a double-click ? |
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| lifestream | Thanks for the info Titan8990 :-) |
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| adb | cusco, why ? |
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| adb | Titan8990, think to /sbin/init as sources of all system |
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| cusco | adb: how come why? |
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| adb | cusco, why you need that ? |
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| cusco | adb: because my coleague needs this accessibility feature |
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| cusco | he is not physically capable of double clicking .. fast enough |
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| cusco | but the why does not relly matter.. |
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| cusco | its the how :P |
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| adb | cusco, on gnome ? |
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| cusco | adb: yes |
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| lindi- | cusco: xte? |
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| adb | you may enable one click only for it |
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| blizzow | crap, I just did aptitude dist-upgrade and now all gtk based apps die on contact. They give me; symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_malloc_n |
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| cusco | lindi-: what is xte? |
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| lindi- | cusco: tool to generate key clicks and mouse clicks |
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| cusco | what is the package name? |
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| [Jasper] | hej guys, is it possible somehow to reduce cpu fan speed from debian? |
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| lindi- | cusco: apt-file search bin/xte |
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| [Jasper] | its not doable in the bios.. |
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| lindi- | cusco: just bind F10 to run "xte mouseclick 0; xte mouseclick 0" |
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| lindi- | [Jasper]: depends entirely on the fan controller |
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| [Jasper] | how can i find out lindi- ? |
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| cusco | don't have apt-file ... |
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| lindi- | [Jasper]: flashrom, superiotool, lspci, dmidecode |
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| lindi- | cusco: apt-get install apt-file |
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| lindi- | cusco: it's the standard tool for finding packages by file name |
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| cusco | lindi-: yea I have been trying to avoid it |
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| cusco | I know it, I think it slows down my machine |
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| lindi- | cusco: you can use packages.debian.org too |
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| lindi- | [Jasper]: there's no automatic way |
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| cusco | xautomation |
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| sutem | hi |
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| sutem | whats the best way to make a shell account for a user who wants to run an eggdrop? |
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| jelly-home | adduser? |
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| pngwn | heh |
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| adb | cusco, you may change it in nautilus> Preferences> Behavior> check 'Single click to open items' |
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| jelly-home | sutem: what's the difference between an irc bot user, and any other normal shell account user? |
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| cusco | adb: that would not work inside netbeans... |
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| sutem | i just dont want to enable the user to do any crappy things to the server |
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| sutem | the rest doesnt really matter |
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| PinkFreud | sutem: If you don't trust the user, don't give them an account. |
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| cusco | Unknown command 'mouseclick' |
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| sutem | mh okay thx |
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| abrotman | sutem: does the user need a shell, or can you just setup the bot for them ? |
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| m3tti | when will the btrfs-tools 0.19-11 released in sid or squeeze?? |
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| PinkFreud | abrotman: at that point, he has to worry about how much access he gives the user to the bot. eggdrop owners tend to have access to the shell via the bot anyway... |
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| abrotman | PinkFreud: he could chroot the bot if he really were that concerned |
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| cusco | lindi-: sorry but how do I bind f10 to a custom command? |
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| PinkFreud | gah, he left. |
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| PinkFreud | chrooting is always possible, but it still comes down to - don't give someone you don't trust any accesss. :) |
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| ham5 | ANY! |
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| [Jasper] | lindi- SMBIOS 2.3 • DMI 2.1 • ACPI 1.0 |
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| cusco | im sure in gnome is somewhere in gconf |
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| [Jasper] | does that help? |
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| thick_mcrunfast | cusco: Not to point out anything too obvious, but have you tried Google? |
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| cusco | thick_mcrunfast: yes just found it |
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| cusco | thanks |
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| cusco | lindi-: thanks for xte |
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| cusco | bybye |
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| lindi- | [Jasper]: not really :( |
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| lindi- | [Jasper]: which motherboard? |
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| m3tti | when will the btrfs-tools 0.19-11 released in sid or squeeze?? |
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| MorkBork | what are the odds of dhcp 4.1.1 being added to lenny? |
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| MorkBork | or should i just install it manually |
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| zinx | check backports |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | 0.0% |
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| MorkBork | nah its not in backports |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | lenny is stable, nothing is added to it but security updates |
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| MorkBork | theres wide-dhcpv6-server in lenny but |
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| Titan8990 | ,versions dhcp3-client |
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| judd | dhcp3-client -- etch: 3.0.4-13; etch-security: 3.0.4-13+etch2; etch-backports: 3.1.1-5~bpo40+1; lenny-security: 3.1.1-6+lenny3; lenny: 3.1.1-6+lenny4; sid: 3.1.3-2; squeeze: 3.1.3-2; experimental: 4.1.0-1; experimental: 4.1.1-1 |
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| MorkBork | its been obsoleted |
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| MorkBork | basically the wide-dhcpv6 people say... we're done, use isc dhcp 4 instead |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | why 4.1.1? |
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| MorkBork | ipv6 |
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| Titan8990 | MorkBork: does that mean it no longer works? ifconfig has been obsoleted, but it is still in wide use |
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| MorkBork | no, it still works, but it was a transient project, isc dhcp > 4. is the defacto standard moving forward |
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| MorkBork | for dhcpv6 (ipv6) |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | well, you can backport it for lenny... but that it's in experimental and not in testing/unstable can be a bad sign (or it can just be because the freeze is near) |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | !ssb |
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| dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
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| themill | It would seem unlikely to even be destined for inclusion in squeeze. |
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| MorkBork | the quirk with it is that isc is a fail |
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| MorkBork | and even though isc dhcp > 4.x supports both dhcp and dhcpv6, it wont do it in the same instance |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | 4.1.1-1; Build-Depends: debhelper (>> 7), dpkg-dev (>= 1.13.2), groff, dpatch, po-debconf, libldap2-dev, libssl-dev |
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| MorkBork | so i think its causing some issues for packagers |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't look like it would be problematic to backport |
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| MorkBork | no i dont think its the actual packaging, just the methodology they will use |
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| MorkBork | to run two instances |
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| MorkBork | i.e. two init scripts, or a line in defaults/dhcp, etc |
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| MorkBork | in the end its all just for practice, but theres no sense practicing with something thats been abandoned |
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| MorkBork | but i think even the newer versions of network manager will end up requiring isc dhcp > 4 |
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| PARLIAMENT | is there any way to see what package installed gnome-keyring as a dependency? |
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| Titan8990 | PARLIAMENT: aptitude why <package> |
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| MorkBork | of course maybe its still too early to play with dhcpv6 |
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| MorkBork | since id have to hack up a dhcpv6 impl for each client |
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| MorkBork | 4.1 isnt even marked stable in gentoo, theres no osx impl, who knows with windows |
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| themill | MorkBork: so why on earth would you expect to see it in debian stable? |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| MorkBork | because this is something that i would expect to be fast tracked |
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| MorkBork | given the exhaustion of ipv4 |
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| themill | dpkg: tell MorkBork about stable |
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| themill | MorkBork: there's already wide-dhcpv6-client, why does dhcp 4.1 need to be fast tracked? |
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| MorkBork | full impl of the protocol, dependencies, etc |
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| themill | a protocol that isn't yet stable with no reference implementation yet... sure.. I can see people caring about that RSN |
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| MorkBork | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2010-March/003855.html http://ipv6int.net/software/index.html#dhcpv6 |
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| dAnjou | hi, what's the best way to sync time on a server? i read about ntpdate (via cron) and chrony ... |
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| dAnjou | what is better? |
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| jpwhiting | can anyone help me get X to run at all, I've been trying to use nvidia, but it doesn't work |
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| themill | dAnjou: use ntpd not ntpdate |
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| MorkBork | dAnjou, use ntp and let it run all the time |
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| thySEus | dAnjou: try rdate |
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| jpwhiting | then I am trying nv (removed all traces of nvidia) |
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| jpwhiting | and it does the same thing |
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| jpwhiting | green stripes with grey stripes |
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| jpwhiting | nothing on the other monitor |
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| jpwhiting | hmm, maybe I'm missing something lower than the video, like agp support or something... |
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| jpwhiting | with both nv and nvidia I get no errors or warnings in Xorg.0.log |
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| MorkBork | but yes i think dhcpv6 is a core issue moving forward the next 2 years |
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| MorkBork | its spec'd in docsis 3.0, etc |
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| themill | MorkBork: s/2/20/ and you might be right. |
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| dAnjou | thySEus: quote wikipedia "rdate is the older standard that in many cases is now replaced by ntp/ntpd." ... ? |
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| MorkBork | you realize ipv4 exhaustion is about 2 years away right? |
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| MorkBork | no, its not going to make things come to a screeching halt |
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| PinkFreud | MorkBork: ipv4 exhaustion has been about 2 years away for the past decade. |
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| themill | MorkBork: perhaps you'll find more people who care in ##networking |
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| defrysk | dhcp ftw |
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| MorkBork | shrug |
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| defrysk | hehe |
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| MorkBork | if you dont believe me, read the data for yourself |
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| MorkBork | its not chicken little |
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| MorkBork | verizon and comcast are already starting to do in depth testing |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | is that like with fossil fuels, then? They'll always be exhausted within ~20 years... for the last 50 years |
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| MorkBork | google just flipped the switch on ipv6 (google, youtube, etc) |
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| defrysk | so ipv4 depletes in 2012 |
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| defrysk | how fascinating |
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| defrysk | they should make a movie about that |
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| MorkBork | well theres talk of reclaiming, but the concensus is that its a legal quagmire |
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| themill | MorkBork: getting client software to actually work with ipv6 is more important. Go fix some ipv6 bugs (e.g. with java) instead. There are plenty. |
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| MorkBork | its probably not as big of an issue in north america |
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| MorkBork | but its a major issue for asia |
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| MorkBork | some asian isps are pure ipv6 already |
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| Action: themill points towards #debian-offtopic |
| Action: CutMeOwnThroat points towards themill who points towards #debian-offtopic |
| phoul | when i try and run a login as a user to login to a different user i get the message No utmp entry. You must exec "login" from the lowest level "sh" |
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| phoul | what does this mean |
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| action09 | hi all, can someone tell me why nessus is in repostiory ? i thought it's closed source now . |
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| rvsjoen | the old version isnt |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | phoul, are you actually running the program "login"? |
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| phoul | i beleive so, im running login by itself from bash |
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| action09 | rvsjoen : nessus is presented in the repo as "Version 4 of the Nessus Scanner " quite "new" |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | what is "running login"? |
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| Atog | I've got a server that initially started out on an i386 machine.. I've since replaced the hardware and it's now running on IA-64 hardware.. would a normal apt-get upgrade be sufficient to convert the system to all IA-64 packages after forcing the architecture with the apt config option: "APT::Architecture"? |
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| phoul | open bash and type login |
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