xckpd7	riven: compare Calibre and say Arial at the same font size.. Calibre is considerably smaller and I haven't found any font-stack that has a comparable sans-serif font that even slightly resembles it. So I was then thinking, maybe there was a free font available that mimmicks it
riven	ah, okay
riven	well, go to dafont.com and happy browsing! :)
riven	choosing a font based on its relative size compared to a reference font is pretty silly though :p
solo0891_	wich program is best for image manipulation for web design , gimp , adobe photo shop or ulead photo impact ???
riven	ulead, lol
riven	Fireworks.
xckpd7	if you consider that I made a compromise and matched calibre to the original design that called for Myriad Pro (very hard to tell apart at that size), and that I would prefer not to do images for text, it's not really
mum-n-dad	heheh
mum-n-dad	good ol' ulead
dogmatic69	solo0891_: the one you know
mum-n-dad	xckpd7: myriad pro nice choice
solo0891_	ty dogmatic
mum-n-dad	http://apps.facebook.com/markedsplass shares the exact same CSS with http://home.no/hedhnta/test - yet it's all messed up. For instance, how do I get the search input back to where it's suppose to be?
mum-n-dad	I just can't figure out what Facebook is doing to my CSS!
linetrace	I'm using text sizing in ems for a site layout and am running into a rounding issue in IE7
linetrace	I've got a lot of elements w/font-size: 0.875em (i.e. 14px), but this actually ends up being 13.92px (i.e. 0.87em) in IE7
linetrace	I'm including an IE7-specific CSS file using conditional comments and all it includes is "body { font-size: 0.88em; }", but it doesn't seem to override the font-size specified in my main CSS file
linetrace	woah, may have found my issue...
linetrace	yup, silly mistake
deed02392	For some reason i'm struggling to get three divs to align in the center of a parent div. What's going on?
MikeyD	i am trying to modify the title attribute of img to be 8px and I can't seem to figure out the necessary code. tips?
azazul	MikeD_: a snippet would help , and live url would be better
azazul	same for deed02392
MikeyD	azazul: can i pm you the url?
deed02392	it's ok azazul, had a typo in selector rule, thanks though
azazul	sire , MikeD_, but whats so secret about it
azazul	and what exactly you want to modify to be 8px
azazul	MikeD_ ?
MikeyD	<img src="/images/step2.gif" alt=""
MikeyD	title="Click to enlarge" height="80" width="120"/>text here</a> - I want to modify the font-size of "text here"
azazul	first : wrap it in span
azazul	then  a span[ font-size: 8px; }
deed02392	Does anyone have any reserves about using position:relative;top:1px;left:1px; to give a 'button' effect for all a links on hover?
deed02392	It won't cause some enourmous styling issues on some browsers will it?
deed02392	Don't have the facility to test them all interactively
Yoshi123_away	IE6 must di
Yoshi123_away	dieee
MikeyD	azazul: Yay! Thanks for the tip
MikeyD	azazul: ok, next question. They are already in a div. Instead of a span, I used the current div with your suggestion. It works great. When I move the code over to my designated css file, it stops working.
MikeyD	<div style="font-size:9px;"> this works great
MikeyD	<div id="3steps"> and then css: #3steps {font-size:9px;} - doesn't work at all
azazul	was afk
azazul	MikeD_: ID names cant begin with a number
MikeyD	changed it to steps3 and still no luck
azazul	besides , the images  are already contained in a   a.highslide
azazul	so why dont u use it
azazul	a.highslide span{ font-size: 9px; }
azazul	btw , you ode has a lot of issues
azazul	you shou start by setting a Atrict doctype ( instead of transitiona)  and  fixing the validation errors
azazul	and thats only for errors and not the semantical mistakes
azazul	s/Atrict/Strict
MikeyD	ok, got your span css tips working, thank you!
azazul	and start fixing the code
MikeyD	HTML 4.01 Strict ?
azazul	that or XHTML 1.0 Strict
azazul	its more your choice
azazul	and right after setting the doctype , move the JS part right before the closing </body> tag
MikeyD	57 Errors, 10 warning(s) - nice. ok, will do, i appreciate your suggestions
azazul	you need to move the JS because of optimization
MikeyD	ok, moved to the bottom
azazul	did you never wounder why google told you to put the Analytics script there ?
MikeyD	I had just assumed I needed the highslide.js near the top since I have a few pages laden with images
azazul	html file hets read from top to bottom
azazul	and when IE sees a JS ( of any kind ) it stops doing _anything_ else till it downloads the JS and compiles (parses ) it
MikeyD	Yeah, I noticed that the facebook connect js likes to slow everything down sometimes
MikeyD	Ok, next question for getting my doc to validate. I've been using <hr noshade="noshade" /> - I need to use a different alternative to that
azazul	MikeD_: its the  border property in css
azazul	if i understand it right , it should be    hr{ border : 0 0 1px;
azazul	{
azazul	damn ..
azazul	hr{ border : 0 0 1px; }
MikeyD	html: <hr /> css: hr {clear: both;border: 0 0 1px;}
MikeyD	When I remove the clear:both the line disappears, but your border worked well!
MikeyD	Why did you recommend me setting a strict doctype instead of transitional?
azazul	MikeD_: first of all , you shouldnt use HR tag
azazul	jeez , go and lear n, i have to work
goddard	My div keeps on getting pushed to the side by the footer when I use a picture aligned to the left.  How do I make sure what ever is in my div container isn't push to the side? if this even maeks sense?
MikeyD	does anyone have experience in fixing validation errors concerning facebook like box or like buttons?
Strumeizer	who can help me for an IE z-index problem ?
b0x	position: set?
Strumeizer	absolute
C00re	i second that quitmsg
dcosta	hey
dcosta	any jquery expert here ?
C00re	#jquery
dcosta	cool :)
dcosta	ty C00RE
C00re	NP
MikeyD	azazul: I just finished validating everything! yay!
Yoshi123_away	*tear, how does one fix the IE6 jump bug
Yoshi123_away	I'm simply changing the border-color and it cases this massive jump in the div size
Yoshi123_away	*causes
Yoshi123	Is anyone familiar with the IE6 hover jump bug?
JDigital	stuff jumps on hover if you change its size on hover
Yoshi123	I'm only changing the color
Yoshi123	border color to be exact
MikeyD	do you have any percentages in your attributes?
Yoshi123	no sir
MikeyD	hav you tried adding a:hover { padding-top: 0 }
Yoshi123	yeah did the padding-top padding-bottom 0 stuff
Yoshi123	there are no EMs eitehr
Yoshi123	*either
Yoshi123	tried giving the div that's expanding a fixed height but that didn't work
Yoshi123	somebody shoot me now
MikeyD	I feel your pain. I still have 12% of my visitors using IE6
Yoshi123	Yeah, the numbers are still way too high
bleen	are there any cross-browser solutions out there to positioning the legend in a fieldset?
MikeyD	Ok, so, I figure out that any facebook plugin used will break your site in IE6. Now I need to figure out a way to hide the plugins if the user's browser is ie6. hm.
bleen	is there a hack for FF only styles?
MikeyD	is there something similar to "<!--[if gte IE 7]><!--> code here<!--><![endif]--> that you guys know of to hide javascript?
HappyPelican	MikeD_ js user agent detection
MTecknology	Is it possible to apply to different backgrounds to an image? So I have a corner and top image?
MTecknology	I'd like to avoid having to add extra elements to the theme
HappyPelican	what are you trying to do? rounded corners?
proskill	hi
proskill	how do i change the outline of input type="text" ?
proskill	outline color
MTecknology	HappyPelican: pretty much
proskill	im using form#firstform input[type=text] {} <- this is correct to style the input text types right?
MTecknology	HappyPelican: same concept - trying to put some nice shadow images on things that follow pretty funky paths
MTecknology	HappyPelican: any tips?
HappyPelican	MTecknology, this might help then - http://codecamel.com/round
HappyPelican	proskill: border?
MTecknology	HappyPelican: wow- that's neat
k0nichiwa	any tricks to increase the spcificity (or precedence) of a CSS rule?
k0nichiwa	i changed some rules from being ID based to class based
k0nichiwa	i need the same results i had before, but the precdence of the rules has been foobar'd
oksushi	k0nichiwa: make a more specific selector http://htmldog.com/guides/cssadvanced/specificity/
snaxsy	dudes, you got any recommendations for an all-css 2-level horizontal menu?
snaxsy	] horizontal menu
snaxsy	] menu
_ZofBot4	Menus: http://cssplay.co.uk/menus/ www.brainjar.com/dhtml/menubar/ , www.alistapart.com/articles/dropdowns/ , www.alistapart.com/articles/hybrid/ , www.xs4all.nl/~peterned/examples/cssmenu.html , www.udm4.com/ , www.cs.ucla.edu/~heng/JSCookMenu/ , http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/
snaxsy	bah.
snaxsy	does that mean the alistapart hybrid's still the state of the art?
snaxsy	(not that i don't like it)
oksushi	snaxsy: http://www.message.uk.com/dropdown-menus-no-thanks
snaxsy	shit, that looks awesome and not exactly what i'm looking for. gotta fold socks now. be back in a sec
oksushi	]search drop
oksushi	]access drop down
_ZofBot4	Drop-downs are bad: http://www.message.uk.com/index.php?page=81
oksushi	bot needs updating
snaxsy	ah. my gf was nice enough to do my laundry. she feeds and waters me too.
snaxsy	how where were we?
snaxsy	oksushi, what's that suppose to link to? it redirects.
oksushi	yes, the first link I gave you is the current one, I was checking to see if it had been updated in the bot (but it hasn't)
snaxsy	oh i guess that's what you were saying.
snaxsy	yep
snaxsy	anyway, you have a recommendation for a two-level horiz menu?
snaxsy	css-discuss wiki also needs updating.
oksushi	I recommend not using one at all
snaxsy	what do you recommend? showing all? anyway, i'm supposed to duplicated a layout
snaxsy	i wasn't talking about a drop down tho.
oksushi	using a proper structure, in-page links, sub navigation and 'inherant findability' - but anyway, suckerfish is still what you want
snaxsy	two-level. like http://www.alistapart.com/articles/hybrid
oksushi	oh, my mistake then
snaxsy	oh i feel better.
oksushi	they still have their issues though
snaxsy	especially since i was hoping for an all-css one. not some crazy javascript menu that no one can see if javascript is disabled.
oksushi	for people with poor fine-motor control
snaxsy	issues indeed. is html5 going to fix all this or something?
oksushi	why not use a css3 solution? http://css-tricks.com/css3-tabs/
snaxsy	it's for a nail salon. if their customers have shakey hands then they shouldn't be customers ;)
oksushi	hehe
snaxsy	that doesn't have a submenu.
oksushi	anyway, you will need js to make sure that the sub menu of the most-recently hovered tab remains active even if the mouse cursor slips off it
oksushi	no, it's not a 1:1 example you can copy
snaxsy	yeah i'm not trying to reinvent any wheels.... lazy & tired
snaxsy	i'd be up to it another time
snaxsy	bigger stranger fish to fry than the menu
snaxsy	what's the javascript do? i thought javascript was usually for making :hover work right on ie?
snaxsy	tho that does make sense....
Action: snaxsy scratches head and goes fishing
oksushi	well, you would for example make the most recently-hovered item have a class 'active' that makes sure it is the top-most visible subnav. So, you can take your mose off the strip, and that sub nav is still visible
oksushi	then, if you hover another 'tab', it's submenu gets the class
snaxsy	right right.
snaxsy	but ... hold on ... fishing
oksushi	so, without js enabled, the menu works like the example you gave, but with js enabled, it works /better/
snaxsy	yeah.
snaxsy	right.
snaxsy	i'm down to use taht. i was even thinking of tossing a nice jquery fade in there if i have a sec.
snaxsy	but i want a solid starting product that degrades gracefully
snaxsy	i like the alistapart one. but i sortof thought there'd be more i should check out
snaxsy	oh, plus it doesn't look like alistapartmenu works for ie/no javascript.
oksushi	not if it relies on hovering things other than an <a>
oksushi	thats why you should ensure that each 'top level' menu item is a functioning link to a page, that details each of the sub-pages (and links to them)
snaxsy	i guess i probably won't find anything better, then. you have a link for the persistency js you were talking about?
snaxsy	good point about top menu links. i like that.
oksushi	snaxsy: no, but it is trivial
shaft0	Is there a way to have overflow: scroll use the main browser scrollbar on a div?
oksushi	shaft0: not directly
shaft0	oksushi: I'm not sure I follow.
snaxsy	yeah but it sounds elegant. for those users who have the ability to appreciate such things (clealy not the ones using ie)
oksushi	snaxsy: did you mention you were using jquery?
snaxsy	yes why?
oksushi	shaft0: you could 'fix' everything else on the viewport, then it would appear that the main scrollbar was scrolling just that element
oksushi	snaxsy: check your pm
shaft0	oksushi:  Basically the only thing on the viewport is the bodyContent div, so if I put that as fixed, it'll be good to go?
oksushi	shaft0: I cant say that without seeing the page
shaft0	oksushi: Fair enough.  bodyContent is a vertically centered div, it's 400px tall, and it's the only visible div on the page.

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