Dieter_be	i don't see how python can be better then C+lua
anrxc	I remember something about awesome becoming like a lua implementation of python's object model
anrxc	but that should be discussed with author him self
Dieter_be	i see
qacek	anrxc: i thought it was bazinga http://git.naquadah.org/?p=~jd/bazinga.git;a=summary
anrxc	there are two projects, one is some kind of core, other a wm
qacek	oh i see
Kodama	anrxc I'd like to make the font size of your .Xdefaults a little bigger but nothing seems to work
anrxc	what font, what application?
Kodama	well the xterm part
anrxc	open one xterm now
anrxc	execute command xfontsel
Kodama	ok
anrxc	from fndry select xos4, from family select terminus from others select how you wish your font to look like
anrxc	when you are done click on the "select" button
anrxc	that will paste the font to your clipboard which you can paste to your Xdefaults
Kodama	don't hav xos4 in fndry
anrxc	then you don't have terminus at all?
anrxc	heh
Kodama	well I have 17 entries there but no xos4
anrxc	I guess what happens is terminus is not found and xterm defaults to some basic small font
anrxc	you use arch linux right?
Kodama	right
anrxc	pacman -Ss terminus-font
anrxc	think you can refresh the font database without restarting X
Kodama	done
anrxc	command should be: xset fp rehash
anrxc	hope that works, if not you have to restart your X for it to see terminus
anrxc	you could've used another font, but terminus is good, and you said you want your destop to look like mine
anrxc	an _I_'ve been using terminus for more years than I can remember
anrxc	how did I ever find it that first time...
Kodama	looks like I have to restart x
Kodama	just a sec
GGLucas	Kodama: gnu screen
GGLucas	Look it up.
GGLucas	:)
GGLucas	anrxc: You managed to get terminus in xfontsel?
Kodama	still no terminus or xos4
GGLucas	I never managed to, always had to go through fontconfig/xft.
anrxc	only way for that to happen is you don't have /usr/share/fonts/local/ in the X FontPath ?
GGLucas	Kodama: What does `fc-match -s terminus` output?
anrxc	yeah if xft works you can use that ... and you'll be happier because there's no cryptic lines only "Terminus:size=16"
anrxc	or something like that
Kodama	http://pastie.org/984881
GGLucas	Isn't it slower though?
GGLucas	Kodama: Hm. Your bitmap fonts are probably disabled.
anrxc	perhaps
GGLucas	Oh wait, no they aren't.
GGLucas	You typod.
anrxc	not that he will notice, IRC'ing here :)
anrxc	he made a mistake
anrxc	but terminus is available...see bottom of list
GGLucas	Yeah.
GGLucas	Hence my "typod".
anrxc	I don't know how xterm*font is with xft
GGLucas	Oh damn, adding /usr/share/fonts/local to fontpath did the trick. Why did I never think of that.
anrxc	xterm*font: "xft:Terminus"
GGLucas	Doing it directly there _should_ be faster than xft no?
anrxc	don't know let's test
anrxc	time seq -f "the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog %g" 1000000
anrxc	urxvt 1.49s user 2.22s, xterm with the same font is still running and I see no end :)
Kodama	ok thank you guys...will read the font wiki of arch linux tomorrow...have to go to bed now...bye
anrxc	Kodama: don't need to
anrxc	let me check my dotfiles log
Kodama	ok but I have to read a little more into xfontsel
anrxc	here it is
GGLucas	13s with xft, 10s with direct x fonts
anrxc	Kodama:
anrxc	shit
anrxc	clipboard lost, moment
anrxc	Kodama: from what you pasted we know that xft will work
anrxc	Kodama: so try this instead of those font lines:  xterm*faceName:      terminus:pixelsize=10
GGLucas	Oh nice. I can still use xft fonts as backup for unicode glyphs.
anrxc	Kodama: adjust the size as you see fit - it's what got you here in the first place
Kodama	yes, right...it's just that your font size is a little too small for me...kinda hard to read
anrxc	that was not my font size
anrxc	you did not have my font, xterm was defaulting to some generic one
Kodama	ah, ok, that's why changing the size from 12 to 16 had no effect
anrxc	exactly :)
Kodama	really have to sleep now...thanks for your help
anrxc	I should too
Action: Elv13 anrxc need to sleep?
Elv13	this is new
anrxc	should and will are miles away :)
Elv13	oh, wait "should" not will
anrxc	it doesn't go well with my sleep disorder
anrxc	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_sleep_phase_syndrome
GGLucas	Bah. I keep getting seduced by smaller fonts.
GGLucas	Every once in a while I switch to 10px terminus.
GGLucas	But then I get annoyed and switch back.
GGLucas	In _theory_ I should be able to use it, so it pisses me off.
anrxc	developed the disorder when I had dial-up, at night rates were cheaper
anrxc	and in general they were so high 80% of my pay at that time went for the phone bill
GGLucas	anrxc: That sounds like most geeks I know :P
anrxc	...and one crucial fact, 70% of my job was the third shift, nights
bolt	in section 3.9 of the FAQ, what does this line actually do? ==> awful.menu.menu_keys.down = { "Down", "Alt_L" }
GGLucas	Including myself.
anrxc	perfect combination for the disorder, courtesy of T-Com :)
GGLucas	What's the difference between DSPS and regular old can't get to sleep until 3AM?
anrxc	yeah, but can we/you go back? I can not, I tried everything :\
Elv13	it have a not so cool name, thats the difference
anrxc	it's funny how in the beggining I was happy, I was hacking away while the society slept
GGLucas	For one or two days after physical exhaustion :P
anrxc	now I want to cry
anrxc	this is going on for 7 years now
anrxc	it's not just some thing...
anrxc	so beware young(er) hackers :(
Elv13	don't worry, dial up is long dead
Elv13	but coding at night is fun
anrxc	the romantic idea of hacking while other sleep can get you in trouble :)
Elv13	umm, I found a solution
GGLucas	I've long given up on trying to go to bed early. Sometimes it works but usually you end up sleeping even later than if you'd just stayed up.
Elv13	you should use my wonderfull blue awesome theme, it is so relaxing that you don't need sleep anymore!
anrxc	talking about this reminded me of http://everything2.com/title/deep+hack+mode
anrxc	you start around midnight on something, next thing you know it's daylight and birds are singing :)
GGLucas	That's really only 4-5 hours.
anrxc	max time I managed to meditate is like 10 minutes :)
anrxc	being lost like this for hours is amazing to me
anrxc	I guess gamers experience it too
GGLucas	Happens when I'm biking from/to uni. Suddenly I'm 20 minutes further and I can't remember having been there.
anrxc	not a safe way to participate in traffic :)
GGLucas	Nah, you still do everything you'd normally do, just subconsciously.
anrxc	perhaps like driving, lots of people say they do it automatically without thinking
GGLucas	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_hypnosis
anrxc	wow this is interesting
GGLucas	Of course I object to that name. It makes me insinuate I'm badass enough to drive my bike on a highway, and then people get disappointed when I'm not.
Elv13	It's not badass, it's plain stupid, I did it a few time (drunk) and I almost killed myself 1000 time
GGLucas	I'm assuming you can go the same speed as everyone else on the highway.
GGLucas	Or it would be stupid yes.
Elv13	well, I can go faster than a car, but not on a highway
Elv13	other subject (and as always in this chatroom, off topic), anybody used the -ffast-math gcc optimisation?
GGLucas	Oh wow with terminus 10px that little seq test took 60 seconds.
GGLucas	I mean I expected it to be slower because it needs to paint more of the screen, but that's crazyi.
bolt	hm.. nevermind. worked it out :)
anrxc	what?
bolt	?
anrxc	define ?
bolt	are you asking me what i worked out?
anrxc	yes, did you ask a question?
bolt	yes
bolt	about 30 minutes ago
bolt	"in section 3.9 of the FAQ, what does this line actually do? ==> awful.menu.menu_keys.down = { "Down", "Alt_L" }"
anrxc	ah sorry, actually saw that
bolt	it just sets the Down and Alt_L keys to move down in the menu
anrxc	it's a little trick I came up with
anrxc	in other OS/DE you press Alt+Tab and keep pressing tab to cycle
anrxc	important thing being to not have to move ones hand to cycle,
bolt	ah. so now you can keep pressing alt :)
bolt	clever
anrxc	also important to have a familliar binding, but Alt+Tab is not as good as Alt+Esc
anrxc	so Tab can not cycle we use Esc, and Esc can not cycle because of why we use Esc in the first place
anrxc	we use Esc because Esc closes the menu, which also means if you press Alt+Esc while menu is open it will close - effect of toggle
anrxc	in the end our binding has just one line, just one call to awful.menu.clients!
anrxc	otherwise we would have to toggle the menu our selves
anrxc	this is not official, this is my solution to the usability problem
bolt	i bound it to alt+tab, actually. just felt more natural to me. and i had it display at the very upper right corner of the screen, below the wibox. i also moved the Mod4+w menu so it always goes to the upper left corner below the wibox. i like it a lot :D
anrxc	then it is not like I intented...
anrxc	intended*
bolt	what did you intend?
anrxc	pressing Alt+Tab could end you up with multiple menus
anrxc	I just explained what, the Esc trick
bolt	ah
bolt	that's true
bolt	i'll move it to esc then. didn't know about the esc thingy when i read the faq
anrxc	or,
anrxc	map Tab to close the menu to ge thte same effect, or even better Alt to close Tab to cycle
anrxc	but it adds more lines to rc.lua - my goal as I said before was to be as minimal as possible - one line
bolt	rebound now :)
Action: bolt is off to bed
anrxc	I would also like to have it on alt+tab with tab to cycle
anrxc	but I'm not willing to sacrifice 2 lines of rc.lua
bolt	anrxc: thanks for the great support you're providing. i find you're almost always the one answering my questions, and i greatly appreciate it :D
anrxc	I'm just the looser with least social life :)
anrxc	tomorrow it could be someone else...
anrxc	or maybe
anrxc	I have an IRC disorder! :)
anrxc	yeah, I like that explanation...
anrxc	btw I didn't know shit when I came in here, it was farhaven answering all my questions
anrxc	for dust you are and to dust you will return
Bolkonskij	hi
Garoth	Huh: check it out guys, do a google for "awesome" ;)
Elv13	it's mosly localised, so nobody will have the same result
qacek	it might be using your history, i get http://ohmythatsawesome.com/
rbistolfi	I get awesome.naquadah.org/ first and http://ohmythatsawesome.com/ second
Elv13	try using a proxy and see if it is still the case, then google just know too much about you
TheBrayn	howdy folks
TheBrayn	how can I get rid of this wallpaper message after starting awesom?
Kodama	good morning...can I set antialias for fonts in my taskbar? (somewhere in the theme.lua maybe?)
noxville	^_^, having a problem with fbsetbg -f on multiple monitors (it's taking image 1 and stretching it). Any ideas?
farhaven	noxville: try nitrogen instead :)
farhaven	works fine for setting multihead wallpapers here
noxville	farhaven: Okie.
DigitalKiwi	nitrogen++
martin	re
Dieter_be	TheBrayn: ply
TheBrayn	ply?
raph_ael_	re / ply
TheBrayn	:D
macrobat	is there a wallpaper message? haven't noticed
macrobat	:)

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